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alicia
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My first time here.

Post by alicia » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:04 am

This is my first time here on Talking Scot ,- I may have posted this in the wrong spot so I apologise to begin with,

Is the Glasgow Herald on line, (I'm in Australia so I can't visit anywhere to view)?

After doing a search on the NAS, I've found the trial papers of a Margaret Paton who received 8 years imprisonment for robbery and theft. The date was 28 April, 1874. The estimate for a transcription of the papers is sixty-five pounds which, as she wasn't a direct line of mine, I decided not to go ahead with. I thought that there would be an article in a newspaper at the time.

The reason that I'm interested is that in a previous conviction in 1872, (there is no actual date on this paper from NAS, just the year) is that she was living with my G.G.Grandfather, - William McGlennon, shoemaker, at the time, as mentioned on this paper, and it is him that I am having trouble looking for before this time, (I have him pretty well covered after this.) His father was Charles McGlennon, also a shoemaker. I have on file, lots of McGlennon's, all shoemakers, all living in Glasgow and originally coming from Ireland, and have been able to link them all together but I've yet to find a link to my William. I have a possible 1871 census sighting of him (the transcription is very unclear, and it says he was born in Scotland, yet the 1881 census which is to be found in Leeds, says he was born in Ireland. He took off with the son of Margaret Paton, called William, born 1872, presumably when she went to jail. They never married. He later married Maria O'Hara in Leeds.

I hope I haven't rambled on for too long but William is one very high and thick brick wall for me. ](*,)

Hoping someone can point me in the right direction

Alicia

Russell
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Re: My first time here.

Post by Russell » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:51 am

Hi Alicia

A warm welcome to TalkingScot. Those of us still in the home country as still lifting a glass to the New Year and the party (virtual) is still going on another TS thread.

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The Glasgow Herald can be viewed at http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC

Once every one has stopped celebrating they will be back to our favourite detective work. you may have to do some trawling through the newspaper archive to locate the info you want but we have a couple of incredible experts who locate in minutes info that would take me weeks.

Russell

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Re: My first time here.

Post by Currie » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:24 am

Hello Alicia,

The Glasgow Herald is available online up to 1900 via 19th Century British Library Newspapers. You can access this and many other databases via the National Library of Australia. http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/

Also check your State Library webpage as you may also be able to access that database and others via their site. For temporary access, until you get your NLA or SL card, try going down this track. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15443

Unfortunately the search facility on Google News Archive, probably because of image quality, doesn’t often work very well, especially with older editions. That means that it’s often only useful if you have a date to work from. The image quality and search facility for the 19C BL newspapers is usually vastly superior.

Here’s some stuff from the GH. I’m not sure how old this lady is, or how far back her career is likely to extend, or whether all of these are for her. There is some earlier material.

Glasgow Herald, Wednesday, September 16, 1863
Glasgow Autumn Circuit Court will be opened on May 28th current, the list of cases includes
“Hugh M’Garrell, Margaret Paton or M’Garrell, and Mary Ann M’Kay, robbery or theft.”

Glasgow Herald, Tuesday, September 29, 1863
Hard to read but was theft of gold watch and ring. McGarrells lived Saltmarket, females had previous convictions. Paton sentenced 6 years imprisonment.

You can see this one a bit clearer on GNA, about a third of the way down last column on page 2. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=G ... =frontpage

Glasgow Herald, Wednesday, September 21, 1870
Glasgow Autumn Circuit Court to open 3rd October, the list of cases includes
“Margaret Paton, theft, and previous conviction of theft and robbery.”

Glasgow Herald, Tuesday, October 4, 1870
Margaret Paton was charged with theft, by having, on the 14th March, 1870, stolen a silver watch, with metal chain and a purse containing 3s, from the person of Hugh M’Laughlin, a labourer, residing at Tobago Street, Greenock, within her house in Nelson Street (City), Glasgow. The prisoner had been previously convicted of theft before the Sheriff Court of Lanarkshire, and also of robbery before the Circuit Court of Justiciary in Glasgow. She pleaded not guilty, and was defended by Mr Young; but after evidence had been led the jury returned a verdict of not proven, and the prisoner was dismissed from the bar.”

Glasgow Herald, Tuesday, August 26, 1873
Margaret Paton etc sentenced 20 days by Sheriff Murray for assault on a woman etc

Glasgow Herald, Wednesday, September 11, 1872
Glasgow Autumn Circuit Court to be opened on 23rd current, the list of cases to be heard includes
“Jane Wilson and Mary Ann Grey, theft; and Margaret Paton, theft, and previous conviction of robbery and theft.”

Glasgow Herald, Saturday, September 28, 1872
“THEFT.
Jane Wilson, Mary Ann Gray, and Margaret Paton were accused of having, on Friday the 2d of August last, in a house in Bell Street, stolen a bag containing 2 sovereigns, 14 half-sovereigns, 8 one pound-notes, and 5s in silver money, from the person of a baker. Two convictions were recorded against Paton, one for theft and one for robbery, before the Circuit Court. Panels pleaded not guilty. After trial, Wilson was convicted and sentenced to twelve months imprisonment. The charge against Paton was found not proven, and Gray was found not guilty.”


Glasgow Herald, Monday, April 13, 1874
The Glasgow Spring Circuit Court of Judiciary will be opened here on Thursday the 23rd current, the list of cases includes
”Susan Goffrey or M’Ewan, Margaret Paton, Margaret Cameron, and Catherine M’Fadyen or Smith, theft, habit and repute, and previous conviction, and previous conviction of theft and of robbery in the case of Paton and Smith, and of theft only in the case of Cameron.”

Glasgow Herald, Wednesday, April 29, 1874
Glasgow Circuit Court, before Lord Ardmillan, on 28th.
“ROBBERY.
Susan Gaffney or M’Ewan, Margaret Paton, Margaret Cameron, and Catherine M’Fadyen or Smith, were charged with stealing a silver watch from the person of a boilermaker, while in a close near the High Street, on the 24th January last. M’Ewen, Paton, and M’Fadyen were further charged with being habit and repute thieves. The panels pleaded not guilty, and were defended by Mr. Alison, Mr. Arthur, and Mr. Wallace. After trial, the jury found the prisoners guilty as libeled. Cameron was sentenced to 12 months imprisonment, M’Gaffney and Smith to 7 years penal servitude each, and Paton to 8 years penal servitude.”


A name like McGlennon will appear in the newspapers as M’Glennon and it’s usually best just to search for Glennon. The name doesn’t appear very often in the GH.

All the best,
Alan

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Re: My first time here.

Post by Russell » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:36 am

Well Alicia I said we had experts and they have lived up to expectations =D> =D> =D>

Thank you Alan

Russell
Working on: Oman, Brock, Miller/Millar, in Caithness.
Roan/Rowan, Hastings, Sharp, Lapraik in Ayr & Kirkcudbrightshire.
Johnston, Reside, Lyle all over the place !
McGilvray(spelt 26 different ways)
Watson, Morton, Anderson, Tawse, in Kilrenny

alicia
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Re: My first time here.

Post by alicia » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:31 pm

Thank you one and all, - you've all been such a big help and saved me a lot of money. I received an estimate from NAS for sixty-five pounds for transcriptions for only one of the trials, which I didn't really need, just general information which was hopefully going to lead my to William McGlennon, - you've all done your selves proud. =D>

A Happy New Year to all of you. [cheers] [cheers] [cheers]

Alicia

trish58
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Re: My first time here.

Post by trish58 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:15 pm

Oh what a lady :D

Well done Alan a fantastic job as always :D Happy New Year to all.

Trish :D
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