HELP please stuck on smith

[Isabel]

can anyone help please
I have a couple of smiths in my tree [hope not related]cant find info on them or their families,
David Smith married Susan Abercrombie glasgow 1834 daughter Marion[mary] b 1835 glasgow
susan b 1805 cannongate ed dont know anything about david except that at time of marriage he was a beach man
on 1841 census mary is living with martha rossini susans sister
susan i think is living with andrew drummond a writer
no sign of david and no sign of any of them in 1851 census
thankyou
Isabel

[SarahND]

Hello Isabel

dont know anything about david except that at time of marriage he was a beach man

Can anyone tell me what a "beach man" is so I can judge whether the various Davids one sees are likely to be the same one? Is it something to do with boats, or what?

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. Also, where is Martha Rossini living in 1841? I don't see her.

[paddyscar]

Hi Sarah:

No luck in finding 'beachman' as an occupation or in a Scots language dictionary

http://www.dsl.ac.uk/Beach-boys, boys employed at the fishing-stations to assist in curing fish on the stone beaches.

http://www.scotsfamily.com/occupations.htm
Beadman: Licensed beggar
Beidman Bead(s)man: one living in an almshouse; pauper, beggar

Frances

[SarahND]

Thanks, Frances
I like the fish curing one. Seems I saw some fisher-folk when I was looking at David Smiths earlier this evening.
Regards,
Sarah

[Currie]

Hello there,

It seems that Beachmen were boatmen who worked off the beach, doing whatever was available that suited their skills, salvage, rescue, ferrying whatever from ship to shore. It sounds like it could have been dangerous. http://www.gtyarmouth.co.uk/Bygones/Mar ... achmen.htm

There’s a sad story here about a couple of Whalers called the Dee and the Thomas. The Dee eventually made it back home with the few survivors of both crews, over 40 had died. There was a man called David Smith on board the Thomas, and according to The Aberdeen Journal, Wednesday, May 10, 1837, he died on April 3rd. The Dee appears to have been of Aberdeen and the Thomas of Dundee, and probably no connection. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=5Io ... 22&f=false

Alan

[nelmit]

Hello Isabel

dont know anything about david except that at time of marriage he was a beach man

Can anyone tell me what a "beach man" is so I can judge whether the various Davids one sees are likely to be the same one? Is it something to do with boats, or what?

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. Also, where is Martha Rossini living in 1841? I don't see her.

This looks like her from FREECEN Sarah. I think Matthew should be Martha.

Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Glasgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Paul
Folio: 2 Page: 2
Address: 135 High Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROSENA Philip M 45 Wire Worker Overseas - Foreign Surname not legible
ROSENA Matthew F 40 Outside Census County (1841) Surname not legible
ROSENA Antonie M 19 Wire Worker Lanarkshire Surname not legible
Page: 2/3 ROSENA Philip M 8 Lanarkshire Surname not legible
SMITH Mary F 5 Lanarkshire

Martha Rosini is still at Glasgow in 1851.

My memory isn't as bad as thought I remember this family-
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3967&hilit=rossini

Regards,
Annette

[Isabel]

Thankyou everyone who have posted a reply
I was babyminding last night so I couldnt see if i had any replies.
thankyou Isabel

[Isabel]

Thanks for your help I had a look at the david smith article and it could be him
but Im still baffled as to whats happened to susan and marion[mary]after 184o census
I think its a case of the lady vanishes.
thankyou Isabel
PS do you think david was from dundee as I thought it strang him being a beach man in glasgow.

[Currie]

Hello Isabel,

Just looking at the IGI for David Smith born Scotland 1800 +/- 5, there are 584 of them, and more than a third of those are from Angus. All we know about your David Smith is that he was in Glasgow in mid 1830s. There’s really nothing to indicate whether he was ever in Dundee or if he was the one who died on the Thomas.

This “Sailor’s Word Book” from 1867, defines Beach-Man as a person on the coast of Africa who acts as an interpreter to Shipmasters etc. but also has Beach-Men as boatmen and those who land people through a heavy surf. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=y7H ... 22&f=false

I guess you wouldn’t get a lot of heavy surf in Glasgow and that might make you think he was from elsewhere. But maybe there were areas not far away where he was needed to ferry whatever from boats to the shore where the water was often rough enough to justify the title. I don’t know enough about the geography etc of the area to say.

I had a quick look at the 41 & 51 on FreeCen and unless I did something wrong, the Beachman occupation doesn’t seem to occur anywhere.

All the best,
Alan

[Isabel]

thankyou alan I was just trying clutch at straws I think.
I seem to be stuck in the mid 1800s with 2 differant smith families burns,campbell,and 2 mckenzie families.
thanks again Isabel