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Scottygirl56 · Post by **Scottygirl56** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:17 pm

I have just found the 1861 census for Elsie - spelt Elspet but she is living with her daughter Jessie Winn in London. I would never have found this without the help here.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:22 pm

Great stuff as usual Alan - I was hoping you'd come up with the goods!!

Here is Elsie with Jessie at London in 1861-

Thomas Winn 58
Jessie Winn 29
Alice M Winn 2
Thomas C Winn 10 MO
Elspet Marrison 63 born Scotland, Mother in Law - Widow of an M.D.
Elizabeth S Green 15

Interesting that Jessie (like Mary) also married an older man.

Lynda,

Sarah's suggestion about the Kirk Sessions may be the way to go to try and discover who Christian's parents were.

Regards,
Annette

Post by **SarahND** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:23 pm

=D> I assume she is down as a widow? In that case you have a very narrow window in which to find James' death.

If you can't find it, I would think that the Royal College of Surgeons (if he really was a member) would have a record of his death.

Then back to the drawing board to find out who the parents of Christian really were!

Regards,
Sarah

P.S. Beat me to it, Annette!

Scottygirl56 · Post by **Scottygirl56** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:38 pm

Sorry, what are the Kirk sessions and how would I find then?

Scottygirl56 · Post by **Scottygirl56** » Mon May 16, 2011 10:16 pm

Me again... I found this on www.deceasedonline.com
Is this where James from Guise would likey to be buried? Anyone who might know this. The date certainly fits and yet I can't find a death for this time on ScotlandsPeople. Perhaps he died elsewhere which is why there is no documentation in Scotland.

Burial Register summary
last name Morrison
first names James
Burial date 28 Mar 1860
Authority Aberdeen City Council
Location St Peters Churchyard (Aberdeen)

Post by **SarahND** » Tue May 17, 2011 3:58 am

Hello Lynda,
You'd think that James would want to be buried near to his farm, rather in the big city, especially since his son was still running the farm (I'm sure you saw those prize-winning animals from Guise in the Agricultural section of the Aberdeen Journal when you were searching-- if not, search for Guise). St Peter's Churchyard is in Aberdeen City, whereas Guise is in the parish of Tough-- some 25 miles west. However, they may have had their reasons to want to be buried there. I would think that if you found that Elsie was also brought back and buried there, that would make it very convincing. I think she would be listed under her maiden name.

There still remains the mystery of why his death was not mentioned in the Aberdeen Journal, no matter where he died... surely it's there, but just hiding behind a smudged page or something?

Regards,
Sarah

Scottygirl56 · Post by **Scottygirl56** » Tue May 17, 2011 4:35 am

I think you are right Sarah - and I can't find Elsie anywhere. I actually went to the library before and got out two books to help with my searches - I get so frustrated at not finding things. I have actually asked Annette if she can give me some clues as she found so much in the newspapers.

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Tue May 17, 2011 11:57 am

According to the 1912 London Times death notice of the Winn daughter, previously mentioned, her parents were “late Thomas and Jessie Winn, of Stepney”.

On Free BMD the only James Morrison death anywhere near London in the likely window between the 1858 marriage and the 1861 census appears to be this one. Unfortunately ages were not then included in the BMD index. Maybe it's him?

Deaths Mar 1861
Morrison James Stepney 1c401

No luck at all with the Aberdeen Journal.

All the best,
Alan

Scottygirl56 · Post by **Scottygirl56** » Tue May 17, 2011 12:51 pm

Thank you Alan, I think you are right. I notice that the address given on the 1861 census is very near Stepney. Thank you for that, it's good enough for me!!

Post by **SarahND** » Tue May 17, 2011 3:30 pm

Hi all,
In the 1856 Directory for London there is a James Morrison, surgeon at 121 Edgware road, Paddington
Unfortunately, he was already there in 1851

And in 1861 he is in the census at that address, with wife and children, a "Mem Royal Coll Sur London, General Practitioner," born County Tyrone, Ireland

All this just to illustrate that James Morrison is too common a name to be able to be sure of finding the right man without other information. Even the occupation might not be enough. I still think that contacting the Royal College of Surgeons may be the best way to find out about his death, since they should have other information that would narrow it down. English death certificates give so little information that, unless one of his known relatives was the informant, it would be nearly impossible to be sure you had the right one.

All the best,
Sarah

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