The case of the naughty twin sisters

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cadmium
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The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by cadmium » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:15 am

Sorry if I've been posting too much lately, it's just that I've gotten a lot of good results lately! I'm on a roll I guess.

We have an ancestor in the family whose parentage was kind of hushed up. I discovered that he was listed as illegitimate on his birth certificate and his so called parents, John and Catherine Wilson, were actually his grandparents. I guess this was very common, what seems to have happened is his grandparents have taken the child as their own and raised him. It explained so much...

Oh my, there was a very big earthquake as I was typing that. I think it's over.. anyway.. :?

The interesting thing I discovered was that when I looked him up on the 1881 census, living in Pathhead, Crichton, Midlothian, there he is living with his birth mother Isabella, the grandparents... and another youngster of 2 year olds, Catherine. Too young to be the grandparents... suspicious, huh? Well after looking up Catherine, she is also illegitimate... surprise surprise...

...but Isabella isn't the mother! Turns out she has a TWIN sister Helen who also had an illegitimate child, just two years previously. Both mothers were late teens or early 20s, and I guess the grandparents of these children have tried to look after the family and raise the babes.

Now I would dearly like to know if the Kirk Sessions recorded their guilt or suspicions as to parentage.

The story in the family is that Isabella was working for a doctor in Edinburgh and that he got her pregnant and dismissed. Now that I find out Helen also had a child out of wedlock, I wonder if there was indeed a doctor, and whether Helen was also involved with him. Or whether they were both simply having relationship with some farm labourers...

I wonder if they were identical... man, the imagination runs away! :shock:

I thought I'd share the interesting story... also, if anyone has any tips on accessing these Kirk Session Records, I'd be grateful. I know the NAS has them. I've heard they've even been digitised but unfortunately not being in the UK I don't have access to a library. Perhaps the NAS offer a paid service to find and send copies of records like the NA does?

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Re: The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by momat » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:28 am

Hi,
Oh my, there was a very big earthquake as I was typing that. I think it's over.. anyway.. :?
Hope you are O K.
Where in the World are you ?
Maureen

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Re: The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by SarahND » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:04 am

momat wrote:
Oh my, there was a very big earthquake as I was typing that. I think it's over.. anyway.. :?
Hope you are O K.
Where in the World are you ?
I see that there was just a 6.2 earthquake in northeast Japan, but it doesn't seem to have done much damage (am guessing that is the one referred to, but actually have no idea). I had to laugh at mikokunsaki's relaxed reaction to it, though. Having grown up in California, I also take earthquakes in stride, pause a couple of seconds in my typing and then get back to work :D It just depends on what you're used to! Once I was teaching a class when there was a good-sized earthquake. The big clock on the wall crashed down, narrowly missing one student's head. We all just looked at each other and then someone said, "Shouldn't we be under the table?" Ha ha. The after shocks went on for about 6 months and my small son would just roll his eyes as his high chair skated across the floor...

Makes a good story but of course, when a really big one hits the results can be overwhelming and tragic. Don't mean to make light of it.

mikokunsaki,
As far as I know, the kirk session records are still only available at certain locations in Scotland :( But there is still the ongoing talk about them eventually being put up on ScotlandsPeople. I think there is some problem with logistics-- How to search? Should payment be by number of pages or some other unit?

I, for one, will be VERY excited when and if they come online! :D

All the best,
Sarah

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Re: The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by momat » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:12 am

There was also a 6.0 off the east coast of New Zealand's North Island just before 8.00pm.
Maureen

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Re: The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by cadmium » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:35 pm

I live in Fukushima, Japan - we get them almost everyday and sometimes more than that so it's very much 'oh, okay, that was slightly bigger than this morning.. house isn't collapsing though.. carry on!' :D (i mean, obviously this part of Japan has a very different idea of what a 'big' one is nowadays)

I e-mailed the church and they said the church of scotland headquarters in edinburgh had the records..their website made me think NAS had them. How very confusing. I guess it's rather likely that they've been lost or thrown out as well. :/ I'd dearly like to see them, such an interesting story too.

Edit: just discovered they're still being digitised by documentsonline, timescale is for summer 2011.... fingers crossed!

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Re: The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by SarahND » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:50 pm

Hello mikokunsaki,
Glad you're still "carrying on" through the earthquakes :D I was always grateful for a wooden house that just swayed with the movement, instead of a stone or brick house that might crack and bring walls crashing down... Our chimney came down once, but luckily didn't damage anything.

Which parish was young John born in? I see it is just written "Edinburgh" on the 1881 census. Or do you think the Kirk Session in Crichton is the one to look at? In either case, I would think that the microfilms, at least, would be at NAS (or NRS as they are now called). Where the originals are now is probably not relevant.

A fascinating story, indeed! I hope you can get to the bottom of it!

Regards,
Sarah

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Re: The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by cadmium » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:12 pm

Thanks Sarah. The houses here are built to sway.

John was born in Pathhead, in the Parish of Crichton in Midlothian. I have his birth certificate that states that and his grandparents appear there in various censuses so I'm sure they must have been part of that community. His illegitimate cousin, the daughter of the other twin, was also born there.

The parents were Presbyterians which is why I am really interested in the Kirk sessions (plus obviously the two girls being in 'the family way' so young and within only a couple of years spacing!!).

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Re: The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by SarahND » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:16 pm

According to the NAS catalogue the Crichton Kirk Sessions exist for the right time period, so you're in luck!

Sarah

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Re: The case of the naughty twin sisters

Post by LesleyB » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:29 pm

By the 1880s Kirk Session records are less likely to be mentioning a bit of "fornication" than the earlier Kirk Session records (pre 1850s). The Kirk had much less of a hold on its parishoners by the late 1800s. Worth checking but there may be no mention at all.

Best wishes
Lesley