What is a Hurdy Gurdy ???

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What is a Hurdy Gurdy ???

Post by GTSCOT » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:57 am

Have been asked the question “ WHAT IS A HURDY (HURLY) GURD (SPELLING ???) or HURDY GURDY . . . AND WHAT ARE THE ORIGINS

(does it come from hoop and gurd??? – wheel or hoop that was struck by a stick to make it roll)

My answer is a iron rod hoop with an attached iron rod push rod. simply known as a Gurd.

Another answer was - no no no its an old car that has seen better days.
But in the days when there was only 1 car per street, it usually was old. And if one was lucky they got a wee hurl in the Hurdy Gurdy.

Any other definitions ? :)
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Post by apanderson » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:35 am

I always thought it was some sort of musical instrument :roll:

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Post by LesleyB » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:31 am

I always thought it was some sort of musical instrument
Me too... and Wikipedia seems to have an entry for it as such, but there may be other meanings...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurdy_gurdy

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Post by Muriel » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:00 am

Surely the iron hoop & stick is a gird (gurd) & cleek.

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Post by Currie » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:38 pm

Hello all,

I have vague recollections from my dim past of someone, possibly my grandmother, mentioning the Hurdy Gurdy. I was left with the impression that it was some sort of a ride that went round and round till you were sick. The song about the Hurdy Gurdy Man by Donovan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-5WVvWHDyE left me none the wiser.

A couple of Australian sites I’ve seen refer to getting off the Hurdy Gurdy in the same way you might talk about getting off the Merry go Round if you’re life’s in a bit of a rut. An American site gave the name to one of those small carts that go on the railway lines and people pedal, pump levers, or maybe wind a handle to get moving.

But according to www.hurdygurdy.com a Hurdy Gurdy is a Musical instrument and they even have instructions on how to make one. But what would they know. The only musical instrument in the Donovan clip is a Guitar.

This person http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlIbMA6VFA thinks she’s playing the Hurdy Gurdy whereas, in fact, there’s a very small Scotsman inside that contraption playing the Bagpipes.

I wouldn’t necessarily believe all of the above but the Hurdy Gurdy was certainly a portable, hand operated, music machine of uncertain specification, used by street musicians and the like, much maligned, and capable of making a horrible din in all but the hands of experts, of which there were few.

The term Hurdy Gurdy was also probably casually applied to a great range of other, not necessarily musical, devices kept in motion by some sort of repetitive grinding, peddling or similar action by its operator.

That’s my opinion,
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Post by Russell » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:51 pm

Thanks for a sensible answer Alan

The Hurdy-Gurdy was indeed a stringed musical instrument with melodic strings and sympathetic strings. It was played by turning a handle which caused a plectrum to strike the strings. Most had keys which dampened the strings which were not to be played so that a tune could be picked out with harmonics and related chord notes at the same time.
The nearest instrument nowadays is the Autoharp with the same arrangement of dampers but plucked by hand.
Hurdy-Gurdy players were itinerant musicians who would depend on a few coppers thrown to them while they stood on street corners much as buskers do today.
As with all stringed instruments the problem was tuning. Get that wrong and it sounded awful. Get it right and it was pleasantly melodic. Some musicians would probably sing the latest broadsheet songs as they went round. A mobile Top of the Pops I suppose.

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Post by Archiver » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:54 pm

To add some confusion to this, the Dictionary of the Scots Language doesn't have an entry for 'hurdy gurdy' but it does have one for 'hirdy girdy'. The definition it gives is 'uproar, confusion, disorder', for example 'Thay ran all hirdie-girdie and wer angrie'.

Looks like we're all in a bit of a hirdy girdy!
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Post by mallog » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:12 pm

If you were in Glasgow just now you could go and hear one :lol:

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Post by joette » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:14 pm

I have a dim memory of an Edgar Allan Poe story with a hurdy-gurdy man as the baddie in it(maybe Tell-Tale Heart).
I have always thought of the Hurdy-Gurdy as a street muisician's instrument.
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Post by Archiver » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:19 pm

joette wrote:I have a dim memory of an Edgar Allan Poe story with a hurdy-gurdy man as the baddie in it(maybe Tell-Tale Heart).
I have always thought of the Hurdy-Gurdy as a street muisician's instrument.
I always think of MR James - the Lost Hearts? - with the children and the old house and the man.
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