trouble understanding terminology in Will

[LesleyB]

Edmund the Miller's wife's name as given here here would seem to make sense:

http://www.aussiegenes.net/1979.htm
Edmund Hilder (Miller)

* Marriage: Sarah Vigor on 11 Nov 1815 in Cuckfield, Sussex, England
Edmund married Sarah Vigor, daughter of James Vigor (Butcher) and Mary Carrick Wood, on 11 Nov 1815 in Cuckfield, Sussex, England. (Sarah Vigor was born in 1792 in Burwash, Sussex, England, christened on 11 Nov 1792 in Burwash, Sussex, England and died about 1830.)

Also

No idea why it is missing from FreeBDM (well - probably should be why it is missing from the GRO indexes - but they are known to have many errors)

Although BM&D began to be registered in England in 1837, not all events were recorded across the board until about 1875, so there were many events just not registered at all.

[trish1]

Hi Lesley

Given that Barb mentioned a father of Gibeon and I find Gibson (one of which is probably misinterpreted) plus the age of the couple, it seems most likely the correct marriage. Marrying at that time in London areas seemed a popular thing to do for folks living relatively close to the City.
There is an extracted birth on the IGI for Sarah Hilder 25 JUL 1802 Ewhurst, Sussex, England parents Edmund and Elizabeth - your find talks about Edmund haveing a wife Sarah - could be a second marriage? cause Ewhurst looks to be the right place.

Your find is most interesting - and the name Noakes makes another appearance, adding to the likelihood it is all the same family.

Trish

Edit - I wrote the above before I saw your next post - 2 marriages it may be

[trish1]

Again another marriage on the IGI Edmund Hilder ELIZABETH NOAKES Marriage 08 APR 1800 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England

The name NOAKES appears again - need to work out if this is the same Edmund - of course - pre civil marriage - only the names and dates on the church record

Trish

[LesleyB]

Hi Trish

Rereading the above, I think the following section is certainly interesting, especially about business dealings with sons-in-law which would seem to be what may be going on in the exerpt from the original document posted by BarbR:

Edmund Hilder died in Sept 1821 without having made any conveyance of his real property to his father and by his will of 15 Sept 1821 appointed John Vigor butcher his trustee for sale for the benefit of his wife Sarah and children. Edward Hilder's will of 17 Dec 1823 was proved in PCC by Harry Hoad of Brightling farmer and Henry Bourne of Dallington farmer on 3 Dec 1824 and on 16 Apr 1827 they were admitted to Dudwell Mill. The will reveals Edward's extensive business dealings with his sons and sons-in-law, most of whom were other members of the Hilder family (AMS5982/6/22-25)

[BarbR]

Trish and Lesley,

Thanks so much for all of your sleuthing =D> I never would have found all this out on my own! I really appreciate your efforts on my behalf.

I will take some time to go through all that you found.

Thaks again

Barb

[LesleyB]

Hi Barb

I will take some time to go through all that you found.

Well good luck to you - the exerpt from the will seemed twisty enough, but it seems auld Eddie's antics might possibly keep you tied up in knots for quite some time!!

Also - is this perhaps the Edmund ("Edmund Hilder of Rye in the said County Victualler") in the original document?:
(...and is he perhaps the son of the Miller? He is certainly at the George as landlord at about the right time for your document, but could just as easily be a nephew or other relative of "Auld Eddie" the Miller I suppose)
http://www.thegeorgeinrye.com/aboutus/history.html
History of The George in Rye
The following list records the landlords of The George....
1845 - Mrs Harriet Hilder
1849 - Edmund Hilder
1859 - Frederick King

Best wishes
Lesley

[BarbR]

Well good luck to you - the exerpt from the will seemed twisty enough, but it seems auld Eddie's antics might possibly keep you tied up in knots for quite some time!!

It's worse than you think - there's a lot more "twisty" stuff in there that I didn't share - just too confusing! But I wanted to try to understand this Bond and Trustee bit and it is making some more sense now, especially if Sarah was formerly a Hilder.

Thanks again - Talking Scot always comes through, even on English genealogy!

Barb

[LesleyB]

Totally distracted now - I think a night or two in the George at Rye would be just great!! Rooms look fab, food looks to be interesting (if a bit OTT inplaces....for dessert what ever happended to good old apple pie, or rhubarb crumble...??) ...and the tap room looks like a real old fashioned cosy pub. D'ya think if I mentioned I knew Edward I'd get a complimentary stay??

[BarbR]

Now Lesley, did you really know Edward or do you just feel like you do after researching him so much? By all means go and let us know if it is as good as it looks

Barbara

[Alan SHARP]

Thumbs up to TalkingScot & not a "professional" in sight. What a great example of a team effort - and strangers to boot. Great going LADIES.

Alan SHARP