Poorhouse record look-up please?

[nelmit]

Good to be back

John Gordon applied 18/9/1914
Born - Glengavin, Co. Leitram

Age 72 - widower - shoemaker - RC

Married 12/8/1868 at Maryhill Chapel
Skin Disease
Has OAP

Parents - John (scored out) Owen Gordon, Mason and Rose Murray both dead

Wife Bridget Devaney born Ireland died 28 years ago at Shamrock Street. Parents ? Devaney and ? O'Rourke.

Applies for admission - sore legs - He is very bad with skin disease.

Died 24/12/1914.

The inspector's report gave his children as -
Thomas age 42 born Main St, Gorbals, a bill deliverer, address unknown
Bartholomew age 35 born Shamrock St, Ship's labourer, address unknown

Francis Gordon applied 24/10/1893
Born Co. Fermanagh Labourer - RC

Parents Owen Gordon and Rose Murray

Wife Mary Kennedy born Tullyhorky Co. Donegal daughter of Patrick Kennedy and Mary Glancy at Thistle Street

His application ended - very doubtful character.

Got to make dinner - be back later.

Regards,
Annette

[ninatoo]

Hi Annette,

That all does certainly tally with what I had found out. Poor John had a skin condition which involved painful blistering, so he must have been in quite a lot of discomfort before he died.

As for Frances, a 'doubtful' character! I like them with a bit of interesting detail. He actually had died of pleuracy (?) about a month after the application, so maybe he was just ill and unkempt...

I am looking forward to reading the rest!

Thanks again,

Nina
PS: I was looking for Glen Gavin on the internet and couldn't find it....is there a chance that it might have read Glenfarne?

[ninatoo]

Hi again Annette,

Did you have further information about Rose Murray(Gordon)? I am hoping she will mention any children left in Ireland, particularly a son Hugh. (There os a gap between children's birth years of 1824-1842, so I'm thinking there must be some more!

Also did Francis mention any children of his own? On the 1911 census (Edinburgh) it lists a Margaret McLaren, adopted daughter....

Nina

[nelmit]

Hi Nina,

Sorry......between full time work and visiting my father in law at hospital I've just been a bit of a couch potato before falling in to bed these last couple of nights.

I was going to post it tomorrow as I finish at 5 on a Friday but I'll type it now before I go to bed as I know the suspense must be awful - no mention of a Hugh though.

Rose Murray or Gordon applied 24/8/1887
Residence - 176 Main Street
Age 76 - RC - Widow - born Tullinttay (very hard to make out so I wrote what I saw), Co Leitrim

Daughter of Patrick Murray, farmer and Helen Mulligan, both dead.

Married in Co Leitrim 50 years ago (I now wonder if this should be 60) to Owen Gordon a Mason born Currain..?., Co Leitrim (once again very difficult to read) son of Brian Gordon and Mary Meechan both dead.

Children-
Patrick age 54 born Ireland broker in Enniskillen, married with grown up family.
Thomas age 50 born Ireland, labourer 141 Naburn
Francis age 44 born Ireland, labourer 6 children 135 Naburn
Bartholomew age 36 born Ireland, watchman 176 Main St, Gorbals
John age 34 born Ireland, shoemaker 3 children 205 Thistle St

Application from son Bartholomew (she was staying with him as you will see from the address)

Family called in to pay 1/-

I did have a look for an application from Owen but nothing indexed - I'll try for Bartholomew and Thomas next time. I just took down the vital bits about Francis to prove he was John's brother but I can't remember if there were any children listed - I'll look again.

What made you wonder about a Hugh - perhaps there was but if he had died he wouldn't be mentioned?

Regards,
Annette

[ninatoo]

Wow! Thanks for that Annette! But I didn't mean to keep you from your bed!

So she doesn't mention Hugh and yet I know from the other researcher that he died in 1935....same parents and birthplace, but what made me doubt was that the names of his children do not coincide with the ones in my family; no names were passed down. It just would have been nice for his name to appear with the others....maybe they disowned him . Or maybe she just forgot to list him; that has certainly been the case with at least one other family I have.

But there's a couple of new brothers! Exciting news! I did a quick google search for Naburn and it's in York? Which is good news, because I might be able to find them on censuses.

The date for Patrick still living in Ireland in 1887 is interesting, because it means that a couple of their children were in Scotland before them (one married in 1886 and one died in May 1887 - although he was only 11!).

Thank you SO much for this! I am just on holiday from my work, so I will be able to spend a bit of time with this branch!

Nina

[ninatoo]

Um.......!!!!

I have a death certificate for Rose....she died on 8 March 1883! What the????

There is no doubt this death record is for a Rose Murray Gordon married to Owen, a mason, but parents listed as Patrick Murray, farmer and Margaret Milligan. Died at 34 Rose Street, and is signed by son Francis. Aged 54. On the 1881 census she is listed as 70 years old....

What do you think is going on? Is there possibly TWO Rose Murray Gordons??? Who happened to marry an Owen, father Patrick, mother's maiden name Milligan (Mulligan)???

I have a sinking feeling right about now!!!

Nina

[nelmit]

Don't panic.............I can only think I have written the date of the application wrong and it should be 1881. I will check when I go again.

Naburn is in the Gorbals area of Glasgow.

Here is Thomas in 1881 at 147 Naburn St (all born Ireland) -

Thomas Gordon 45 Labourer
Anne Gordon 36
Mary Gordon 16
Helena Gordon 11

Here is Francis in 1881 at 135 Naburn St -

Francis Gordon 38
Mary Gordon 30
Helen Gordon 9
Charles Gordon 8
Francis Gordon 5
John Gordon 3
Thomas Gordon 4 Mo
Patrick Gordon 4 Mo

And I'm sure you know Rose was living with her son John in 1881.

Regards,
Annette

[ninatoo]

Ok, I will defer panic until you can check again Hopefully that's all it was!

Thanks for the census entries; I looked for Bartholomew but couldn't find him (some other Bartholomews I have were also called Bartley or Barclay, but nothing showed up for those names either. I did find a Bartholomew of approximately right age in the 1991 Irish census, in Enniskillen Fermanagh, so perhaps he returned (and also a Francis with a couple of siblings in the same parish - one of whom is named Owen)....but it is hard to definitely claim these people without further corroboration.

Nina

[ninatoo]

Hmmm....there's a reason Rose didn't mention a son Hugh...it was her grandson! I was getting dates mixed up!

So Annette, if you can possibly look for an entry for Patrick Gordon born about 1827 Co. Fermanagh,or his wife Margaret Brady born about 1837 in Co. Fermanagh, I would be grateful. I am not even sure if they would have applied, though Margaret was widowed in 1893 and dependent on her children after that. She died in 1904. If they are there they will hopefully mention Hugh.

Oh, and the date in my above post for the Irish census should read 1901

Nina

[nelmit]

Hmmm....there's a reason Rose didn't mention a son Hugh...it was her grandson! I was getting dates mixed up!

So Annette, if you can possibly look for an entry for Patrick Gordon born about 1827 Co. Fermanagh,or his wife Margaret Brady born about 1837 in Co. Fermanagh, I would be grateful. I am not even sure if they would have applied, though Margaret was widowed in 1893 and dependent on her children after that. She died in 1904. If they are there they will hopefully mention Hugh.

Oh, and the date in my above post for the Irish census should read 1901

Nina

Hi Nina,

Browsing through my notes tonight and realised I hadn't replied to your post.

I didn't have time to look at the application I found (can't even remember when ) for Mary Brady/Gordon when she applied in 1904. I will look when I next visit but as usual it could be a while.
The reference is DHEW 16/8/9 2677 in case you want to contact The Mitchell yourself.

Regards,
Annette