GOVAN POORHOUSE RECORDS.....

[nelmit]

Hiya Annette,
her maiden name was Merry. Both her and her husband came from Ireland. they married in Dublin but we dont know where they actually came from in Ireland.
Cheers,
Mark

Hello Mark,

No joy finding an application for Louisa I'm afraid.

There are a few Keatings, mostly born in Ireland.

What was her husband's name? I'll look for one for him next time.

Kind regards,
Annette M

[skaville]

Hiya Annette,
Her husband was called Patrick. They married in 1865 in Dublin. He was born around 1846 and died in 1908.
Mark

[nelmit]

Hiya Annette,
Her husband was called Patrick. They married in 1865 in Dublin. He was born around 1846 and died in 1908.
Mark

I'll have a look through the week somteime.

Regards,
Annette M

[skaville]

Hiya Annette,
Just wondering if i could ask another favour. Ive just discovered another poorhouse person. My Duncan Cameron died 27th July 1859. It says city poorhouse, Glasgow. Aged 65 he died of epilepsy. Sadly there are no parents recorded so i dont know anything else about him except he was a weaver. He is a bit of mystery as i have him on the 1851 index with a Margaret as his wife but there is an Allan Matherson as a stepson. Duncans wife was supposed to Margaret Spence(wed in 1828).
Mark

[nelmit]

Hiya Annette,
Just wondering if i could ask another favour. Ive just discovered another poorhouse person. My Duncan Cameron died 27th July 1859. It says city poorhouse, Glasgow. Aged 65 he died of epilepsy. Sadly there are no parents recorded so i dont know anything else about him except he was a weaver. He is a bit of mystery as i have him on the 1851 index with a Margaret as his wife but there is an Allan Matherson as a stepson. Duncans wife was supposed to Margaret Spence(wed in 1828).
Mark

Hello Mark,

Yes I don't mind having a look but I don't have much hope of finding any more about him from the poorhouse application.

Kind regards,
Annette M

[nelmit]

Hello Mark,

Just as I thought about Duncan Cameron. There was nothing except his name and that he was a weaver. I had a look for his wife but could not find anything.

I did find two for Patrick Keatings though.
Index reference D-HEW 10/3/88 page 171 and D-HEW 17/388 page 11452

I roughly transcribed one of them - the other (made in 1893) didn't really tell you any more about the family except that Louisa's mother's name was Mary Callaghan and that he had not resided with his wife for 3 years.


Patrick Keatings applied 31st March 1894
24 South Albion St ‘Paris’ (The other application refers to Paris Lodging House)
Age 48 years born Dublin, RC married separated, warder?? Son of Dominik Keatings porter and Catherine Reynolds both dead.

Married 1865 Dublin.

Wife Louisa M?rry age 49 years born Dublin RC Dressmaker and housewife, daughter of Michael M?rry and --------------both dead.

Family:

Dominik 27 b. Dublin a painter at Wellington St
Robert 25 b. Rose St –whereabouts unknown
Charles 22 b. Caledonia Rd-Pitworker Newton
Mary 21 b. Sandyfaulds St – with mother
Patrick 19 b. Sandyfaulds St – Pitworker Newton
Louisa 17 b. Sandyfaulds St - with mother

Admitted to Glasgow 27.10.93
Injury to leg

Wife resides at 18 Thistle St SS (south side)

1895 Wife in Poorhouse
1896 Wife in Poorhouse died 15.2.96 buried by friends

Both the applications were fairly clearly written and would be worth applying for copies.

Hope this helps with your research.

Actually I hope it helped a bit with mine. I found yours late in the day (I hadn't thought of Keatings) and had a browse around the indexes while I was waiting for your books to come up from 'the depths'.
I have been searching these indexes for other people, and also found a few of my own, for about 3 years now but never looked for my gran's Irish family as they never seemed like likely candidates, however I tried today and there were applications from both my ggg gran and grandpa. It was too late to view them but hopefully they will tell me a bit more about where they came from in Ireland when I view them next time I'm at The Mitchell.

Kind regards,
Annette M

[skaville]

Hiya Annette,
Many thanks for that. Shame about Duncan having no info. Lots on the Keatings though. So they were separated, shame about that.
What would i have to do to apply for copies? Its something ive never done. Is it on the Mitchell website?
I wonder what happened to the son Robert. I tried to look for son Dominick in 1901 as well but couldnt find him. He married a Margaret McGarry and had a son Dominick.
Hope its helped with your Irish lot.
Many thanks again.
Mark

[nelmit]

Hello Mark,

Nothing more for you but that browse through the index has provided me with lots of insight in to my ancestors.
I can't believe I have been visiting The Mitchell for about 3 years now and not looked for this side of my family in the poorhouse applications. I think it's because the men were always working and at no time did my Gran or her sister, who both lived till their nineties, give any indication of any problems in their life.
It makes very sad reading (with the usual wee giggle at some of the details). Now I've got to decide whether to tell my aunt and uncle about the things I've discovered but I probablly will.

I also found a handwritten letter from my husband's gg grandfather to his neighbour when he abandoned his 3 sons all aged under 10. He had already deserted my husband's g grandfather, then age 7, a child from his first marriage.
He asked that she give him a few days to escape to foreign lands (he went to Stirling and married his third wife) and then send the children to the poorhouse - which she obviously did. Since I have never found his death in Scotland I can only assume he did indeed go to foreign lands.
I only wish I knew where.

Kind regards,
Annette M

[LesleyB]

Hi Annete

I also found a handwritten letter from my husband's gg grandfather to his neighbour when he abandoned his 3 sons all aged under 10. He had already deserted my husband's g grandfather, then age 7, a child from his first marriage.
He asked that she give him a few days to escape to foreign lands (he went to Stirling and married his third wife) and then send the children to the poorhouse - which she obviously did. Since I have never found his death in Scotland I can only assume he did indeed go to foreign lands.
I only wish I knew where

That is some couple of paragraphs! What a find ...and what a set of tragic circumstances. An incredible insight into the harsh realities of life for those poor children, hardly helped along by the absconder (the selfish whotsit!) I'm not surprised you are keen to find out where he went - I think I'd want to know too, just so that you could go give him a piece of your mind (retrospectively) and put things to rest. I hope you find him!

Best wishes
Lesley

[nelmit]

Hello Lesley,

'the selfish whotsit' was fairly close to the mutterings I was making while reading the letter (the first two words were the same)

The letter, written in 1885 the year he married his third wife, was written in pencil and still in the original envelope. I couldn't believe it.

Here he is with his second wife and the boys (minus my husband's g grandfather Thomas age 15 who seems to be working on a farm in Stirlingshire).
You would never think from looking at this census what a he was.

Dwelling: 11 Glebe St
Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203648 GRO Ref Volume 644-6 EnumDist 13 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thos. CAMPBELL M 36 M Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Tailor
Helen CAMPBELL M 36 F Balfron, Stirling, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John R. CAMPBELL 7 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Duncan Mc P. CAMPBELL 6 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Alex. R. CAMPBELL 3 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son
Peter CAMPBELL 4 m M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Son

I've been able to follow the boys (except Peter who wasn't named in the poorhouse application ) through to marriage. I've even found his third wife marrying again and dying in Stirlingshire. I can only assume (there's that word again) they went abroad after marrying and she returned to Scotland after his death.

Any way as you said what a find and I can't believe I haven't found it before.

kind regards,
Annette M