Torrances in the Poorhouse.....

[joette]

Thanks for that & yes it is very possible that Thomas came from Ireland.
In fact on an OPR for either Andrew's Birth/Marriage his Father is down as being born Ireland.He was a Merchant Seaman in fact family lore has it that there is a Spanish sailor in the line (Tomas Torrenzo as I was teasing my Mum!) The Torrances were olive skinned with dark hair & brown eyed in the main but they may have been "Black Irish"
The spanish sailor must have had a bike as my Dad's side of the family is reputed to have had one too-knowing my lot it will turn out to be the same one with the bike!

[jintyb]

Joette
Thanks for asking your mum about Torrances.
As I can't find marriage on SP I'm now thinking maybe they met and married in Canada,I've used the old bank card that much I could've flown to Canada to search their records!!!!!
Thanks again
Janet

[nelmit]

That would be brilliant I dont think I could wait until April!!!Next time iam in Scotland.
What does it cost?Thanks.I hope you find it!!!!!
Would you see if they have an application for a Mary Ann Brown nee Gault.She died in Stonehouse Lanark in 1894. Her place of Death is listed as 12 Ligarie(?)St.She is the widow of James Brown & was aged 70?(my nephew transcribed this one & has her listed as 20 but as she died of old age!!)She is described as a Pauper.She is James Torrances Mother-in-law.
Her son James Brown reported the Death he was living 14 King St. at the time.
Thanks so much for anything you can do.

Hello Joette,

Here are the details of Mary Ann's application.

Mary Ann Gault or Brown
41 Stanhope St. age -68
Date of application - 9.50am 8 Dec. 1881
Country and place of birth - Muirkirk?
Protestant
Widow
OCC. Washer
Partly disabled by debility

Non Dependents

Agnes 45 in Kilmarnock
James 43 a miner mar'd in Stonehouse
John 40 a ?..man mar'd in Muirkirk
David 32 a seaman single at sea
William 28 a miner mar'd in Wishaw
Mary 42 wife of John Cameron rail'y yardsman residing in ???
Cath. 27 wife of James Torrance engineer in Govan
Alexander 34 single miner in Muirkirk

Daughter of Ben Gault labr and Agnes King both dead.

Husband James Brown miner son of James Brown toll keeper and Agnes McLure both dead, died in Muirkirk 9 years ago, 58, born Craigie near Kilmarnock

!5th December 1881 referred to Barony.
Kind regards,
Annette M

[joette]

Thanks so much for that it has filled in a few gaps & nice to know how many of the children survived into Adulthood-I think all in fact.Different name for her Father as per her Death Certificate but James got a few things wrong there.More hunting in Muirkirk/Colmonnell

[nelmit]

Thanks so much for that it has filled in a few gaps & nice to know how many of the children survived into Adulthood-I think all in fact.Different name for her Father as per her Death Certificate but James got a few things wrong there.More hunting in Muirkirk/Colmonnell

Hello joette,

Have you seen the 77 year old Benjamin Gault on the 1841 census on the Freecen site?

Annette M

[joette]

Yes I have & through that have discovered her sister Elizabeth & her son William Ronald.Who James Limerick is ? as the only James i can find on SP is not her son or any relation that i can figure out .
Thanks again only thing is I am getting so many rellies in Ireland that i will have to start researching there-help!!!!!
I always felt sorry for Mary-Ann as i knew her life had not been easy one before I knew she died as a Pauper.

[jacktorran]

I'm a direct descedent of Thomas Torrance aka. Andrew Torrance b 1735 Larkhall d 1805. Had sons: Thomas, John, Benjamin, James and William. THey all came to Canada in early 1800's. William married a Isabella Gibb and had her brother working for him.
Are there any connections?
The barothers were qsuccessful merchants in CAnada. What would have caused them to leave?
Will share information