Barnhill Poorhouse lookup...

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:27 pm

Death Certificate for Janet Dyer (nee Black) gives her place of death as

Barnhill Poorhouse
Glasgow
usual Residence

Her son, David Dyer, is the informant. His address is given, but hard to read. It could be "1204 Dumbarton Road."

If anyone is going to the Mitchell and has the time I would very much appreciate a lookup of her application / records.

I've uploaded the death certificate:

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1340

Any help reading David Dyer's address, and Janet's mother's maiden name would also be appreciated.

As always, thanks in advance!

- Mark Dyer

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:41 pm

Hi there

The surname looks like CHARLTON to me.

I wonder if this birth from the IGI has significance.........

JENNETTE CHARLTON DYER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 NOV 1857 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Best wishes
Jean

Post by **paddyscar** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:10 pm

I read the surname as Churlton and the address as 1204 Dunbarton Road.

Frances

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:31 pm

JustJean wrote:Hi there

The surname looks like CHARLTON to me.

I wonder if this birth from the IGI has significance.........

JENNETTE CHARLTON DYER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 NOV 1857 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Best wishes
Jean

YES!

Based on census records, I know that Janet and James Dyer have two children born in England, Janet and David.

I've been trying for ages to find more about where in England!

I'm off to look for David...

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:09 am

Hi

Great news then

!

I wonder if you're finding the same strange IGI tricks that I am. I'm not finding David but I can't help but wonder if he's been left out due to the mircofilm containing "Jennette Charlton" is girls only!

And the odd thing is that this source film isn't one that is listed in Hugh Wallis's list!!!! I did a run through on his film listing all Christenings at All Saints and Jennette wasn't found!

That sent me racing back to the IGI parent search where I did find her and plugging in that number for All Saints and then learned that the film Jennette appears on (C013346) doesn't have a single male christening on it. My question now though...is where did Family Search scrape up this resource and when did they add it??? Odd......very odd......

k

Best wishes
Jean

PS...forgot to mention...there are some Charlton baptisms in Newcastle though....I wonder if Janet Charlton (the mum) had any brothers.....

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:51 am

I did think it was odd that the IGI record only had a batch number and no other source info...

When I couldn't find David in the IGI I thought, hey! he lived long enough to make it into the SRI Death records, and sure enough there he was!

Retired riveter, widower of Margaret Fleming, and with his daughter Janet as the informant! All in Dumbarton (so far most of what I've found has been in Glasgow.)

Can you make out her married name?
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1343

Soon I found the marriage cert for David and Margaret, so I knew they were married in Dumbarton.

Giddy with excitement I started trying to find Janet and any other children. Found one Janet about the right age, born in Dumbarton. Rolled the dice and came up empty. Parents were John Dyer and Isabella Forsyth. Darn.

There was another child in the right place, born about the right time and whose name was 'Annie White'. Well, David's cousin James married an Annie Whyte in Glasgow about the time the 'Annie White' was born in Dumbarton. She must be one of David's!

Rolled the dice again, and ... Another child of John and Isabella. Rats.

Hey! Waydaminut! David has a brother named John!

David is a riveter, the John in the records is a shipyard labourer... Hmmm.

k

Down to 6 credits! Spend one searching for a death record for John. Only one good candidate... crossed my fingers and with my last 5 credits downloaded the DC. The John in the DC had the right parents to be David's brother and his 2nd wife was Isabella Forsyth, so he is the father for the two not-of-David children.

All and all a pretty good day.

I even got some work done for my employer.

Post by **emanday** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:49 am

Here is what looks like Janet's marriage entry in SP

1912 MUIRHEAD JAMES DYER JANET PARTICK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/03 0240

Found it by searchin for a M*h* male who married a Janet Dyer. Talk about creative use of wildcards

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:01 pm

Excellent work!

Oh dear, now I have another document I want to take a peek at!

This latest binge is taking me close to my self-imposed monthly limit... but what the heck, my birthday is this month!

Can I brag a little bit about clever searching?

It occurred to me last night that my Scottish cousins have a habit of naming their children after relatives, often resulting in 'middle names' being surnames.

So I went through the Dyer girls for whom I have husbands, but not children and put their married name into 'surname' and 'dyer' into the 'forename' field of the SRI Birth form.

Pretty quickly found a 'Dyer Duffy' in the right time and place to be the child of a Sarah Dyer and John Duffy. With some creative guess work I found that it was 'James Dyer Duffy'. Still need to peek at the document, but I'm pretty confident of this one.

Also got a hit when I tried surname 'Scott'. The year of birth was much earlier than the one I was expecting, but I have a further-back Dyer with the first name of 'Eliza Scott Robina' (twin sister of 'Marion Logan Georgina') and I've always wondered where the Eliza Scott part came from. (Marion Logan is their paternal grandmother.) The twins were born in 1841, Glasgow; sisters of my gg-grandfather, Hugh Dyer, daughters of Isabella and Robert Dyer.

Anyway, I downloaded the cert for 'Isabella Dyer Scott', born 1874 and the parents are George Scott and Jessie Mills.

So now I'm debating about whether I want to hunt for Jessie's parents to see if she ties in somewhere...

- Mark

PS Sorry to be so long winded, but it's good therapy! (and has several times helped me realize I already knew that a theory could not be correct before I wasted money trying to prove it!

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:41 pm

Oh you're doing my heart good. Reminds me of the times I've been on a lucky streak.

Sounds like you're really on a roll though.....and like you point out...what better birthday gift can a person give themselves

???

Very glad to note that you're still managing to squeeze in a few moments each day for that employer.

If you get stuck don't forget to yell.....but I know it's really so much more fun to find things for yourself.

Thanks for the bit of forum excitement!

Best wishes
Jean

heymarky · Post by **heymarky** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:59 pm

emanday wrote:Here is what looks like Janet's marriage entry in SP

1912 MUIRHEAD JAMES DYER JANET PARTICK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/03 0240

That's the right Janet Dyer all right! THANKS!!

I can just barely make out enough to confirm her parents names and address (1204 Dumbarton Road!).

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1345

Can anyone make out:

- the part of the address after Dumbarton Road
- the groom's address
- the groom's parents names
- the witnesses names