1301 Govan Road.....

[Caroline]

I have a relative who died at 1301 Govan Road in 1920.

Would that address be Govan Poor House or the Southern General Hospital at that point in time?

Caroline

[nelmit]

I have a relative who died at 1301 Govan Road in 1920.

Would that address be Govan Poor House or the Southern General Hospital at that point in time?

Caroline

Caroline,

At a guess I would say by the address that the person was admitted to the hospital but if you want to post the details I can check the poorhouse index at The Mitchell.

Regards,
Annette

[Russell]

Hi Caroline

Up to 1937 the Southern General Hospital was known as 'Merryflats' and was both hospital and Poor Law institution administered by Govan Parish Council.

It was rapidly upgraded when a vibrant new Matron took over, called Jean Donald Jolly. She made radical changes in the whole nature of the hospital and began the process of making it a respectable Medical establishment. She started by radically improving the wellbeing of all Poor Law residents.
Some, mostly female, residents were transferred to Barnhill Poorhouse in the early 1930's.

Just background info for you.

Russell

[Caroline]

At a guess I would say by the address that the person was admitted to the hospital but if you want to post the details I can check the poorhouse index at The Mitchell.

Hi Annette,

I think it was probably the hospital as she died from pneumonia and a broken femur. However I'll give you her details just in case it was the poorhouse.

Her name was Jessie McKenzie or Campbell and she was married to Benjamin. Her parents were Robert Campbell and Betty Black and she diied in 1920 aged 75.

Thanks for offering to do this Annette

Caroline

[StewL]

Caroline

Judging from the cause of death, you are probably right that it was the hospital. For a 75 year old female a fractured femur (more likely a fractured neck of femur due to a fall) would have resulted in her being bed ridden, hence the pneumonia setting in, and no anitibiotics back then.
I looked after more than a few old ladies with #NOF in a prior life

Nothing to really help you just a thought

[nelmit]

At a guess I would say by the address that the person was admitted to the hospital but if you want to post the details I can check the poorhouse index at The Mitchell.

Hi Annette,

I think it was probably the hospital as she died from pneumonia and a broken femur. However I'll give you her details just in case it was the poorhouse.

Her name was Jessie McKenzie or Campbell and she was married to Benjamin. Her parents were Robert Campbell and Betty Black and she diied in 1920 aged 75.

Thanks for offering to do this Annette

Caroline

Hello Caroline,

I hadn't forgotten.

Not only did I find one for Jessie, I found one for her mum (who's surname was Nicol) and daughter Christina.

Here is Jessie's Report.

Inspector’s Report
Jessie Campbell McKenzie Date 9.8.20

56 paisley Road West low

71 years born 1849 Stobcross St

Prot. Married Housewife

Daughter of Robert Campbell ropemaker and Elizabeth Nicol b/d

Married 26/3/1869 at Newcastle on Tyne

Husband - Benjamin McKenzie 74 born Wick
Prot. Scavenger.
Son of Benjamin McKenzie, cooper and Christina Miller b/d

Family - Benjamin 44 born Blackwall, London
md 5 children all young, rigger,
51 Elderpark Street,Govan

Christina 41 born Sunderland
??? McKenzie 4ch (2 over age)
159 W Scotland St on roll of this parish

Residences - Present address Govan 17 years

Certified - Bronchitis

Both Husb. And wife Oap 10/- per week each
He has pension from Glasgow Corporation of 13/- per week. Has ….. 16/- per mo In Royal Liver Society
Applies for medical relief
There was just one wee niggle -
The application was made by Jessie who says she is age 73 and that the mother of Benjamin is Christina Sinclair. As you can see this is a wee bit different from the report.

If you want me to post the other two just let me know.

Regards,
Annette M

[paddyscar]

Hi Annette:

Not being familiar with the social assistance of the time, I have a couple of questions about the reason for some of the information gathered.

The simplest is - what is the meaning of the abbreviation Prot.? Does it refer to religion? If so, was the government trying to levy the cost of their care to the appropriate parish or direct the applicant to a home connected to their belief system; or something different entirely?

I can understand most of the questions about their lives and their incomes for determining they are who they claim to be. Even asking for their children's names and addresses (next of kin; who to contact), but what was the purpose for asking about their children's spouses, work and number of children? Would the mother's fate have been deferred to the kindness of their offspring, or would her children be forced to ante-up for her care?

Thanks,

Frances

[DavidWW]

Hi Annette:

Not being familiar with the social assistance of the time, I have a couple of questions about the reason for some of the information gathered.

The simplest is - what is the meaning of the abbreviation Prot.? Does it refer to religion? If so, was the government trying to levy the cost of their care to the appropriate parish or direct the applicant to a home connected to their belief system; or something different entirely?

= Protestant, - helped with identifying their home parish, whose responsibility it was to take the applicant into their poor relief system. National government wasn't involved, just the local poor relief system, albeit that that had been set up by government.

I can understand most of the questions about their lives and their incomes for determining they are who they claim to be. Even asking for their children's names and addresses (next of kin; who to contact), but what was the purpose for asking about their children's spouses, work and number of children? Would the mother's fate have been deferred to the kindness of their offspring, or would her children be forced to ante-up for her care?,

Frances

Simply to determine the extent to which they should be able or not, as the case might be, to support the applicant.

David

[nelmit]

Hi Annette:

Not being familiar with the social assistance of the time, I have a couple of questions about the reason for some of the information gathered.

The simplest is - what is the meaning of the abbreviation Prot.? Does it refer to religion? If so, was the government trying to levy the cost of their care to the appropriate parish or direct the applicant to a home connected to their belief system; or something different entirely?

I can understand most of the questions about their lives and their incomes for determining they are who they claim to be. Even asking for their children's names and addresses (next of kin; who to contact), but what was the purpose for asking about their children's spouses, work and number of children? Would the mother's fate have been deferred to the kindness of their offspring, or would her children be forced to ante-up for her care?
Thanks,

Frances

Hello Frances,

I've seen many applications where there are long lists of communications between the Inspector and children of applicants regarding care and/or financial help.
You can see a little bit of it in this application.
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

Regards,
Annette M

[Caroline]

Hi Annette,

You may not have forgotten, but I had! Been in hospital the past week having a major eye op. so hadn't thought of my family history for a few days. It was therefore a nice surprise when I got home last night to find you had discovered info that might help me breakdown my brick wall on this family.

All I previously knew about Jessie Campbell was that she was born about 1851 in Glasgow and I hadn't been able to trace her before 1881. Also on her DC her mother was named as Betty Black, but it's now looking as though this is incorrect unless Betty was married twice. Thanks to you though I now have a year and place for Jessies birth.

I wouldn be really grateful if you could post the other two applications (if they're not too long) as Elizabeths would help me trace the family and I'd also be interested to find out who Christinas children were as I only have note of one.

Incidentally I don't think we should worry too much about the discrepancies concerning Benjamins mother. I believe his actual mother was Janet Millar, but she died soon after he was born so that might account for him having a different mother on every certificate I've seen. On his DC his gran was down as his mother!

Look forwrd to seeing the other applications and just wish there was some way I could repay you for all your effort.

Caroline