rland Aberdeenshire - Jean Jenie (your topic Feb 21, 2007

[nelmit]

I've just come in to this post and haven't looked at the source of your info but there is a death registered at Scotlands People of Isabella Kellas/Smith in 1926 (born about 1882) at Aberdeenshire.

There is also a marriage of an Isabella Kellas to a James Smith in 1911.

But............there is a marriage between a John Smith and Isabella Ellis at Kincardine in 1895. Obviously if you are sure your husband's gran was born around 1884 then this won't be her.

Just yell if I'm butting in and getting it all wrong!

Regards,
Annette

[lynne smith]

Oh my goodness, you most certainly are not butting in!!! Your information regarding my hubbtys grandmother is the only information I have on her, after getting the date of her birth 1884. Now at least I have some proof she married James Smith now I need to find out about her first husband, and her first son all last name Morgan. Reading through some family stuff, I kind of think there might be a daughter from that first marriage also. I was kind of mulling through my mind maybe there was no first marriage and her son was (dare I say) illigitimate - oops, sorry to be rude. Thank you so much for speaking up.

Lynne Smith - my arms are wrapped around you giving you a big hug.

[nelmit]

Hello Lynne,

If you know absolutely that Isabella Ellis was born in 1884 then that cannot be the the correct marriage to a John Smith in 1895 as that would make her only 11 years old when she married!!

Regards,
Annette

[lynne smith]

You know, I think the 1895 marriage fits - the marriage to John Smith. She must have been born before 1884 - otherwise how could she have been married to Morgan, had a son (and maybe a daughter), and for certain remarried and produced my father in law in 1898? That makes your input even more important, perhaps that is why I cannot find anything on my husbands grandmother, and now I have fresh information for research. Thank you again.

Lynne Smiuth

[nelmit]

Back again.

Here is a family in 1901 at Skene, Aberdeenshire who could be your husband's father and grandparents -

John B Smith 42 born Kincardineshire
Isabella E Smith 46 born Aberdeenshire
Robert George Smith 5
Agnes Isabella Smith 4
Alfred John Smith 3 born Kincardineshire.

You can view Alfred's birth entry in 1898 at Scotland's People which will hopefully confirm his mother's name is Ellis.

Isabella Ellis/Morgan/Smith died in 1939 at Aberdeenshire.

Regards,
Annette

[lynne smith]

Well, I am getting there, Elizabeth Isabella Ellis was born 1854. She married a man by the name of James Morgan. She had two children by him, James Morgan and Jeannie Morgan. James Morgan (son) married Bella ?? and immigrated to Vermont, USA, they had one child named James Morgan. Jeannie Morgan married Jim Muir,they immigrated to Australia. They had 3 daughters. Ella, May, and Elsie. Mr. ?? Morgan I am assuming must have died, but I have found nothing on him (yet). Elizabeth Isabella Ellis married John Smith b.1858-1901 and had three children by John Smith: Robert James Smith b.?, Alfred John Smith b. 1898-1967 (my husband's father) and Agnes Isabella Smith 1896-1985. I am going to put this particular project to rest for now, so can clear my head, it is still fun, but too much time in a day correcting silly mistakes. Thank you for all your help!!!

Lynne Smith

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Lynne

I have been away for a few days and have just caught up with things on here.

Haven't had time to digest your info yet. But will find time this evening to do this.

I have traced my husband's Smiths back to James Smith born c.1774 in Aberdeenshire. Found him in the 1841 census, aged 60, living in Tarland with wife Jean, also aged 60. Also a Jean Smith aged 9.James's parents unknown as no birth record exists. He married Jean Gauld born 8 Nov 1773 in Tarland. I have her family one generation further back to c.1742. They were John Gauld and Barbara Ingram, also from Tarland.

I am a member of the ANEFHS and have found a great deal of info from their MI booklets. I also have details of 2 court cases involving the Smiths from Tarland. Both rather unsavoury!!!!

If you would care to PM me we can discuss things further and see if we can make a connection.

Regards, Jean.

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Again

Forgot to say that my husband's ancestor is John Smith b 1798, son of James Smith and Jean Gauld. He married Margaret Bey in 1824(husband's gg grand parents)

Briefly what happens next is that they had a daughter Helen Smith who married James Fowler (Husband's great grandparents)They had Duncan Fowler(one of many children)

Duncan Fowler marrried Mary Cooper (husband's grandparents) They too had many children, one of whom was Mary Fowler, my husband's mother.

I have never found an Alfred Smith in the family. This is the only thing that makes me wonder if we have the same family.

I have all the relevant documentation to substantiate my husband's connection to John Gauld and Barbara Ingram.

I do hope that we find a connection.

Best wishes
Jean

[lynne smith]

Hi Jean - I do believe we do have a connection. I have John Smith b. 1798 - 1876, he married Margaret Bey b.1803 - 1860 in 1824. They had 11 children: James, Harry, Charles, Christian, Ann, Alexander Bey, Colin Cameron, Andrew, Charles, Elizabeth and Helen b. 1826 in Colstone, Aberdeen. I also have John Gauld b. 1742 - 1789 July 2nd. born Tarland and Migvie, Aberdeen. John Gauld was buried Tarland and Migvie Aberdeen. He married Barbara Ingram b.1733 in 1771 August 29th Tarland and Migvie, Aberdeen. John Gauld b. 1742 and Barbara Ingram had three children, they were Jean, John and Harry.

I do know that James Smith had some run ins with the law, disturbing the peace, and would love to know the skinny on that, but I don't know how to send a private message, maybe you can tell me how. Today is September 1st, so I will join the orginazation we discussed.

About Isabella (Ellis) - she, according to her son, my husband's father, had children rather late in life, so I am not concerned about her childbearing age being in around 44 and such. Bob (my hubby) is really pleased with all this research, it is nice to know your roots, no matter good or bad.

Hope to hear from you soon - Lynne Smith

Ellis/Morgan/Smith

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Lynne

I have sent you a PM.Hope to hear from you soon.

Is your husband also descended from John and Margaret Bey?

The trials I have copies of are nothing to do with disturbing the peace. They are much more serious!!! These Smiths were a bad lot!

Jean