St Peters Dalbeth

lesley.frame · Post by **lesley.frame** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:05 am

We have managed to trace grave for ggrandparents in St Peters, but can not find any trace of 5 children who died between 1909 and 1920. As they cannot have been very well off does ayone know if it was normal practice for children to be buried in common ground as it seems terrible that they had to cope with their loss and not be able to mark their place of burial. I also checked just in case they were buried in Sothern necropolis but nothing, which i expected as i think they would have wanted to be buried at least in the same area as their children. Appreciate any comments.
thanks

Post by **joette** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:49 am

I know that many of my family burial plots started off with the death of a child.Both sets of Great-Grandparents lost children at about the same time late 1890's.They were not well off & had large families but they did buy plots for the children & in my G-Great Grandpa Waddell's case he made the headstone for their wee Annie.He was a Stonemason.
Have you checked records & the children are not there with/near to parents? Do the family have strong attachments to an area?Could the children have been buried in a home village or their place of birth?
Did they die of infectious disease?In/out with of hospital?

If they had died in an area with surviving Poor Relief Records I would be having a look at them to see if they applied for help with burial costs.This probably doesn't apply in your case.

I am sure they would know where their children were & even if they couldn't mark their resting place then maybe they had some other means of mourning their loss.Such a big one too.
I do take it that you have checked the Burial Register as although there may not be an actual gravestone if they were buried there some record should exsist.

lesley.frame · Post by **lesley.frame** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:17 pm

Sadly there are no burial records for them that i can find. The plot in question was bought when ggrandfather died. The children bar 1 all died with either whooping cough or bronchitis and all died at home. As the family were originally Lithuanian (UK since 1903), they must have been buried somewhere here. Never thought of the poor relief records, which was stupid of me as I was in the Mitchell yesterday. I am going to visit the grave tomorrow so i will ask the groundsmen if they know of any practices of that period for the burial of children of poorer families and then go back to the Mitchell. Thanks for taking the time to post.
lesley

Post by **joette** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:51 pm

What religion where they? Sadly many people are divided in death as they are in life.Could it be that whatever religion practised by the family weren't buried there in the period that the children died but by the time G-Grandpa went they did??Just a thought.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:00 pm

Hi Lesley

I also checked just in case they were buried in Sothern necropolis but nothing

Were you looking at records in the Mitchell for the Southern Necropolis, or was it an online source? I ask because I know there is a list of MIs online for the SN, and I am aware it is not complete.

Best wishes
Lesley

lesley.frame · Post by **lesley.frame** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:39 pm

It was the records at the Mitchell. I feel sure they must be buried somewhere at Dalbeth for they were devout RC and attended the old StLukes in gorbals and StAndrews cathedral, according to the priest at StAndrews it would only have been there. My gut feeling is that they are probably somewhere in the common ground in the Old Dalbeth which is in disrepair and very overgrown. My only hope now seems to be the Poor Relief records in case they applied for help when the children died. Its made all the more complicated due to changes of name from Szlapikas to Paterson and would you believe it Smith!! although that wasn't till 1950 but it has made searching for info quite hard.
thanks for your input
Lesley

Cathy · Post by **Cathy** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:03 pm

Hi Lesley,
when I started researching my GF, I contacted
Glagow Cemeteries and Crematia (sp).
The address is on this site somewhere.
What a surprise I got. Six named people.
When my baby sister died 1961, they had remove some unknown person from the plot!

lesley.frame · Post by **lesley.frame** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:19 pm

Hi all
what a day i've had. Back to the Mitchell and found all these little ones were indeed buried in common ground at St Peters. Then had a look at poor relief records and would you believe it 2 entries and more background information on the family roots on 3 pages than i've been able to get in ages, I finally know exactly where in Lithuania they came from. Why oh why didnt i check there ages ago! So up about all this info that i'm sure i will not sleep tonight. Thanks for all your input
lesley x

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:54 pm

Hi Lesley
That is brilliant that you managed to make such headway in one day - the poor relief applications can be amazing sources of information, worth their weight in gold.
So pleased for you!

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **joette** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:24 am

Oh Lesley

but a wee tear in my eye as I nkow you have looked long & hard for these rellies.

Sad that the wee ones are buried in common ground but I guess the Poor Relief didn't provide for fripperies.Times must have been hard as I'm sure if they had been in any financial position to do so they would have provided a plot for their children.

What did you find out about the family?Would love to know when you have digested it all.

I am trying to imagine myself in a foreign land,not understanding the language or culture no or few rellies to help out & then to lose so many wee ones.So sad.

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