Dear all - is there aks who has access to the (quite informative) Leith burial records? I am looking for Philp, Philip or Phillips burials (spellings are interchangeable).
I have some records from up to 1807 from Leith South - so am looking from 1807-1854. And in particular, I'm seeking the burials of James Philip, carpenter, after 1819, and his wife Mary Bell from 1820, though other Philip burials may help too. I don't have their dates of death...
What I've found so far - John Philp, tailor, buried in the tailors' ground in 1807, and his wife Marion Cunningham buried there in 1803.
Also - is there anybody with knowledge of the South Leith burial ground who can tell me where the tailors' ground and the wrights' ground are? I have the MIs book with map, so could sort it out from a verbal description...
Jnny
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LesleyB
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Hi Jenny
Just incase you are not aware, you can order the microfilms from your local LDS family history centre for £2.75 and have them available to view for about 3 weeks, and well worth the price they are too! The South Leith burials are well worth seeing, as they give a good deal of information , and being able to browse through them gives a really good feel for the place and the people.
I'm not sure about the areas of the graveyard, but I may have a book somewhere that mentions the areas... not sure I remember it actually reading where exactly the areas were though, just that there were different areas. Will have a look as soon as I can. I expect you have seen this before:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/leith/13.htm
Best wishes
Lesley
Just incase you are not aware, you can order the microfilms from your local LDS family history centre for £2.75 and have them available to view for about 3 weeks, and well worth the price they are too! The South Leith burials are well worth seeing, as they give a good deal of information , and being able to browse through them gives a really good feel for the place and the people.
I'm not sure about the areas of the graveyard, but I may have a book somewhere that mentions the areas... not sure I remember it actually reading where exactly the areas were though, just that there were different areas. Will have a look as soon as I can. I expect you have seen this before:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/leith/13.htm
Best wishes
Lesley
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jennyblain
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Thanks Lesley. I hope that there's something in the book!
Ah - the LDS family centre. I did actually manage to order in a microfilm once - about two years ago - and got a couple of hours to look at it. The place is a long way from here (on the north end of Sheffield) and with restricted opening hours, and none at weekends, so getting there is rather a problem as time has to be budgetted for the travel there and back. Actually I was trying to phone them this morning in their opening hours to see if they'd order in these films without me having to go there to make the order physically, but nobody was answering, probably due to snow... which I can appreciate, as it's pretty icy here.
(Oh but it's pretty on the moors, with the snow!)
Agreed that the South Leith records are really very good - the ones I have I got in Edinburgh, spending most of a day in the Edinburgh Room and reading through them - certainly well worth the read. So I'll probably persevere and try to order them through the LDS place here, can I but get to them when they are open.
Jenny
Ah - the LDS family centre. I did actually manage to order in a microfilm once - about two years ago - and got a couple of hours to look at it. The place is a long way from here (on the north end of Sheffield) and with restricted opening hours, and none at weekends, so getting there is rather a problem as time has to be budgetted for the travel there and back. Actually I was trying to phone them this morning in their opening hours to see if they'd order in these films without me having to go there to make the order physically, but nobody was answering, probably due to snow... which I can appreciate, as it's pretty icy here.
(Oh but it's pretty on the moors, with the snow!)
Agreed that the South Leith records are really very good - the ones I have I got in Edinburgh, spending most of a day in the Edinburgh Room and reading through them - certainly well worth the read. So I'll probably persevere and try to order them through the LDS place here, can I but get to them when they are open.
Jenny
http://wyrdswell.co.uk/ancestors
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LesleyB
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Hi Jenny
I've had a look at the several books I have about Leith and I'm not seeing either a plan or a clear explanation of the burial areas. There must be something somewhere... would it be worth contacting the church themselves?
Also, I'm sure you will be aware of this link, but just incase not:
http://www.scotsfind.org/databases_free/leith.pdf
page 103, bottom of page (note folowing 1 Feb 1655 entry) contains a description of the burial ground areas.
Best wishes
Lesley
I've had a look at the several books I have about Leith and I'm not seeing either a plan or a clear explanation of the burial areas. There must be something somewhere... would it be worth contacting the church themselves?
Also, I'm sure you will be aware of this link, but just incase not:
http://www.scotsfind.org/databases_free/leith.pdf
page 103, bottom of page (note folowing 1 Feb 1655 entry) contains a description of the burial ground areas.
Best wishes
Lesley
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jennyblain
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Lesley - yes - I wish we had more resources like that one. I've used many pdfs from that site, and the Edinburgh burgess and apprentice records have been particularly useful to me. It's a very good resource.
The Leith Kirk Sessions one is up to 1700 - although it's a bit before the time I know about, it's a source of many fascinating insights. I'd overlooked that paragraph though.
It suggests that the wrights and tailors, with other 'various crafts', would be on the south side, which (for the tailors at least) matches what I'd gleaned from the MIs, so I think I can maybe now locate them. Though the wrights could be anywhere on that side.
Also it helps with another point - that 'isle' in the records really does refer to aisle in the church (which I'd thought) and not some kind of area of the graveyard. Going a generation further back yet, I have the parents of John Philp, tailor in Leith, Thomas Philp tailor and Margaret Imrie - one is buried in the tailors' ground, the other in the tailors' 'isle' i.e. aisle in the kirk. There are other implications here about how people are associated with the incorporated trades, despite the considerable cross-trade connections within families and among friends - in my case tailors, shipmasters, and wrights, followed by carpenters (wrights) and shipmasters.
Alas, when I was at the church last year in Edinburgh it was shut, but at some point I must go into it. So before that I'll try to find out where the tailors' and wrights' grounds and aisles are...
Jenny
The Leith Kirk Sessions one is up to 1700 - although it's a bit before the time I know about, it's a source of many fascinating insights. I'd overlooked that paragraph though.
It suggests that the wrights and tailors, with other 'various crafts', would be on the south side, which (for the tailors at least) matches what I'd gleaned from the MIs, so I think I can maybe now locate them. Though the wrights could be anywhere on that side.
Also it helps with another point - that 'isle' in the records really does refer to aisle in the church (which I'd thought) and not some kind of area of the graveyard. Going a generation further back yet, I have the parents of John Philp, tailor in Leith, Thomas Philp tailor and Margaret Imrie - one is buried in the tailors' ground, the other in the tailors' 'isle' i.e. aisle in the kirk. There are other implications here about how people are associated with the incorporated trades, despite the considerable cross-trade connections within families and among friends - in my case tailors, shipmasters, and wrights, followed by carpenters (wrights) and shipmasters.
Alas, when I was at the church last year in Edinburgh it was shut, but at some point I must go into it. So before that I'll try to find out where the tailors' and wrights' grounds and aisles are...
Jenny
http://wyrdswell.co.uk/ancestors
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Hi Jenny,
The South Leith Parish Church website has contact details.
http://www.slpc.co.uk/
The burial ground may now be in control of the City of Edinburgh Council. If the church cannot answer your question, it may be worth putting your question to the Cemetery Records Office (at Mortonhall Crematorium), or the Edinburgh Room of the Central Library.
All the best,
AndrewP
The South Leith Parish Church website has contact details.
http://www.slpc.co.uk/
The burial ground may now be in control of the City of Edinburgh Council. If the church cannot answer your question, it may be worth putting your question to the Cemetery Records Office (at Mortonhall Crematorium), or the Edinburgh Room of the Central Library.
All the best,
AndrewP