Coupar Angus Cemtery but which one

[faolteam]

I am trying to find my ancestors but i feel i am up against a brick wall and im getting nowhere every time i think i have found them someone tells me they have no records , so i have included the replies from them , so im hoping i can get help here,

My ancestors who were buried in Coupar Angus Cemtery, which cemetery i am not certain ,

but i do have some cuttings from newspaper,and one particular notice had : leaving Ruthven arriving at the Common, Coupar Angus, Coupar Angus Churchyard,

in the meantime , i contacted Bereavement Services Administrative Officer
The Environment Service
Perth Crematorium
I was also in touch with Rev Bruce Dempsey,Coupar Angus Church.

but they have said they have no records i know the people are buried there as i have newspaper Cuttings which prove this

Im just wondering is there different Coupar Angus Cemeteries
I am Looking for information on Macfarlanes who may be buried in your cemetery, particulary the first three mentioned

ELIZABETH WATSON MACFARLANE DIED 23 MAY 1921
PETER MACFARLANE DIED 9 APRIL 1906
WILLIAM MACFARLANE DIED 3 JULY 1898


I was also in touch with Rev Bruce Dempsey,Coupar Angus Church. and he replied the following:

If the relatives in question were buried in Coupar Angus the Crematorium
would not be able to help, but they might have put you in contact with their
offices in Blairgowrie which holds all the burial records for this area.
There are four cemeteries in the Coupar Angus area: The Abbey Churchyard,
Bendochy Churchyard, Grampian View and Bendochy Cemetery. The church keeps
no records of these at all, and Perth and Kinross Council is your only
option.

I then got in touch with Perth Kiross Council and this was there reply :

Dear Mr Macfarlane

I have just forwarded onto you an e-mail which was sent in April. It has just come to my attention that another similar e-mail was sent to customer services in May.

Please note that all enquiries with regards to burials always come back to the burial office based at the Perth Crematorium whether it is by telephone or e-mail.

I have carried out a further search for you and can confirm we do not hold a burial record for those family members you listed. This does not however mean they are not buried in the Coupar Angus Cemetery it just means we have no surving records stating this.

There may a headstone in place in the cemetery but we do not hold records of headstones or there inscriptions. A visit by yourself to the cemetery would confirm this.

So as you can guess i am no nearer to finding my ancestors, What i can tell you is that i have newspaper cuttings of these deaths and funeral arrangements and it clearly staes Coupar Angus Cemetery, but according to Rev Bruce : There are four cemeteries in the Coupar Angus area: The Abbey Churchyard,
Bendochy Churchyard, Grampian View and Bendochy Cemetery,

So i am writing to you in the hope that yo may be able to stir me in the right direction, i dont really want to have to go around four cemteries

What i find very strange is that Perth Kincross Council can confirm we do not hold a burial record for those family members you listed. This does not however mean they are not buried in the Coupar Angus Cemetery it just means we have no surving records stating this.
Any help would be appreciated.


Thanking you,

Yours truly,

Keith Macfarlane

[LesleyB]

Hi Keith
And welcome to Talking Scot.
With the quote you gave above

leaving Ruthven arriving at the Common, Coupar Angus, Coupar Angus Churchyard

it would seem likely that it is this churchyard
http://www.visitdunkeld.com/Tour%20Coup ... /index.htm
but I'm not familiar with the burial grounds in that area, so I may be wrong.

we do not hold a burial record for those family members you listed. This does not however mean they are not buried in the Coupar Angus Cemetery it just means we have no surving records stating this.

The above statement makes sense to me - even though the burial records you are looking for are quite recent, and you might reasonably expect there to be a record, some records for one reason or another do not survive due to there perhaps having been a fire, or the records have been lent out to somewhere and not returned for instance which may mean that there is no surviving record. Or the records are stored elsewhere in a location they do not know about.

Have you been in touch with the local offices at Blairgowrie as suggested here?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/PER/Co ... index.html
Blairgowrie Office, 46 Leslie Street, Blairgowrie, PH 10 6AP.
Alyth, Ardler, Bendochy, Cambusmichael, Caputh, Cargill, Clunie, Collace, Coupar Angus, Glenshee, Kettins, Kinclaven, Kirkmichael, Lethendy, Leystone, Meigle, St Martins Churchyard, Blairgowrie, Grampian View, Kinloch.
- this may just lead you back to Perth & Kinross Council, but maybe worth checking in any case if you have not done so already.

Also see this post:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=13168
- seems another TS member had a similar problem a while ago (thought it sounded familiar...) Don't know if that one was resolved or not.

Bear in mind too, that there is also a chance that there may be no grave stone, or anything else "marking the spot" - I know of at least three 20th dentury deaths in my tree for which there is no stone, no marker, which is quite a disappointment if you have spent time and effort locating the plot and made a journey to see the grave...

Best wishes
Lesley

[faolteam]

Hi Leslie,

Thanks for your Email but to be honest if there are no records for that time surely the office would know what happened as to why there would be no records ie fire, when was teh fire and if they were lent out surely this is confidential book that should have been returned , i just feel there should be a reason .

im just wondering is there any nice grave hobbyist people who might check this cemetery is ita big cemetery,

i talked with the other person who had similar problem and is in agreement with me

[Archiver]

Hi Leslie,

Thanks for your Email but to be honest if there are no records for that time surely the office would know what happened as to why there would be no records ie fire, when was teh fire and if they were lent out surely this is confidential book that should have been returned , i just feel there should be a reason .

im just wondering is there any nice grave hobbyist people who might check this cemetery is ita big cemetery,

i talked with the other person who had similar problem and is in agreement with me

Depending on who was running the cemetery at the time, the local archive now might not have any knowledge as to where records may have gone. Even if it was the council at that time there would have been few procedures in place for the transferal of records to the archive department (if indeed there even was an established archive department to send things to).

The archives now won't necessarily know if there was a fire, or if a graveyard employee took it home one day and forgot to bring it back, and then it got lost following a house move or thrown out after they died because family didn't know or care what it was, or if it got wet and thrown in the bin, or it was thrown out following an office move, or the book was finished and a new one started so the old one was chucked. Just because a record is seemingly confidential, doesn't mean the people took it seriously! It still happens today, confidential material is lost whether in the post, left on a train, a dropped memory stick (all of which were news stories from the last 18 months).

There may well be a reason, but that reason might not be known and unfortunately might never be.

I know of examples in Aberdeen where people are noted in newspaper articles as being buried in particular cemeteries but there is no record of their burial in that cemetery even where records have survived - most annoying, not to say slightly odd! But then the question arises - which record is correct? The newspaper or the burial register? Maybe the newspaper got it wrong about the burial place. Maybe they were just missed out of the burial register. Lots of maybes...

Hopefully someone can help with actually visiting the cemetery though!

[faolteam]

thanks for reply,

i do remember when i was in dundee with my grandfathers cousin i was in there car and they did say the people mentioneed were buried in the grave yard , unfortunately i didnt make a note of were when,but i do remebert it was on a bend,

does anyone know how big the Coupar angus churchyard in Dundee is : ???

[AndrewP]

Hi Keith,

See the following view on Google Maps streetview: streetview of Queen Street, Coupar Angus

This is about 15 miles from the centre of Dundee.

All the best,

AndrewP