Death OPRs vs. cemetery records in Glasgow

[SarahND]

Hi all,
I'm hoping that someone who is familiar with the Glasgow records can tell me whether one is likely to find a Glasgow death listed both in the death OPRs and in the individual cemetery records. I've got a bit of a puzzle in the Glasgow death OPRs and am wondering whether there might also be a cemetery record that could supply just that little bit of extra information that makes all the difference...

The death OPR I have downloaded is obviously a burial record, but doesn't say where the burying was taking place. In fact, there is no place information beyond the parish name. Given are the date, name (children in one column, adults in another), age, cause of death, what look like notes about payment (no heading to the columns) and whether buried in a lair or in common ground.

The film header says:
Old Parochial Regs.
County Lanark
Parish Ramshorn & Blackfriars GLW.
OPR 644/62
Years included 1819-34

In the case of another of my ancestors, who died in Glasgow 1840, he did not appear in the death OPRs, but was found in the records of the Necropolis cemetery. That record, in addition to the name, age and cause of death also gave occupation and the name of the person who was responsible for the burial. If I could have that extra bit of information for this person also, it might tell me whether I have found the correct person or not.

Is it possible that there would be another record of this burial? [-o<

All the best,
Sarah

[AndrewP]

Hi Sarah,

Try http://www.happyhaggis.co.uk/lanark-ramshorn.htm

There is a description of Ramshorn Cemetery as having been the place where the merchants and the well-off were buried. There are transcriptions of many of the MIs given there too.

All the best,

Andrew

[LesleyB]

Hi Sarah
There are some images and trascriptions frpm Ramshorm here too:
http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/archive/ramsh ... t_555.html

If you are lucky it may be that there is a lair record for the cemeteries, which may give more information, but not sure where this would be held if it/they existed or survived...Mitchell library possibly?

Not clear if this publication is the same as appears on SP or not...
http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/downloads/publist.pdf

AG046 Ramshorn & Blackfriars Burial Grounds Dec 1776-1854, Index to Burials.
(CD) £9.00 70gms

- years included seem to be different from those you quoted from SP. I'd expect the Mitchell may have this same info on microfilm.

Also there is mentioned at http://www.gwsfhs.org.uk/content/publications.aspx

M.I.s Ramshorn Burying Grounds
by J.S. Fairie and A.M. Hall A list of M.I’s in the Ramshorn Burying Grounds and St. David’s (Ramshorn) Church together with other records of lair ownership, First published in 1983, this 2nd edition contains 2 additional appendices with further information on lair ownership, with an update of some items in the main text.

GCD11CD - GCD11 Index to Burials in Ramshorn & Blackfriars
An index to burials in the Ramshorn & Blackfriars churchyard, compiled by the G.W.S.F.H.S. n.b>ii. team. Covers the period from 1776 to 1854. £9.00 75gms

- looks to be the same CD as offered by anesfhs

See also:
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Glasgo ... ,_Scotland

Deaths: The burial registers for the city of Glasgow are in the custody of the registrar of the High Church District, who is warden of the Cathedral and burying grounds belonging to the Corporation of Glasgow. They consist of twenty–nine volumns. Five volumns described as the “City of Glasgow Mortality Records,” embracing the period 1699–1772, thirteen volumns which appear to apply mainly, if not exclusively, to the Cathedral, or High Church, embracing the period from 1760 to the present time. However there are no entries December 1778–January 1783. The first of these volumns and part of the second being a copy of the portion of volumn four and five applicable to the Cathedral Burying Ground from 1760–1772. There are eleven volumns applicable to the North West, Blackfriars’ and Ramshorn Burying Grounds from December 1776 to the present time. There are no records for these last mentioned grounds from May 1772–December 1776.

Best wishes
Lesley

[SarahND]

Thanks Andrew and Lesley,
Unfortunately, the person I am interested in died in 1819 and was buried in common ground, so the MIs aren't likely to get me anywhere. But it would be very interesting to know whether or not the burial index CD sold by ANESFHS and GWSFHS is the same or different from the film available on SP. Maybe I'll email ANESFHS about that, since I'm a member. Or... since it is called an "index" it may just be that-- and is an index for the records on SP Worth looking into just in case.

Thanks again,
Sarah

[LesleyB]

Hi Sarah

If it was common ground, I doubt the lair ownership would information would be much use, as the ground will not be noted as belonging to a particular family or person.

I think the CDs offered by ANESFHS and GWSFHS look to be the same one and as the dates differ from SP's range of dates I reckon there is a good chance that the data is from a different source, but as you say it is not at all clear if it is just an index, or how much other information, and to what degree of detail, it is likely to give. If you find out, let us know, as I'm sure there may be others also interested in burials in that area.

Best wishes
Lesley

[SarahND]

Hi Lesley,
I have sent an inquiry and will post when I have a reply. Unfortunately for me, I see from the Glasgow FHS site that the CDs are only readable on a PC, not a Mac, so I will not be able to use them But the information may be useful for others.

Regards,
Sarah

[SarahND]

Finally heard back from GWSFHS today (better late than never!):

Apologies for the delay in replying. The Ramshorn book contains transcriptions of the inscriptions, names of lair owners, lair registers 1817-72 & churchyard plans.

So, it looks as though this would not give any information for people buried in common ground. Ah well, back to the drawing board...

All the best,
Sarah