Death in Glasgow pre 1855 for Stevenson

Wanda Stevenson · Post by **Wanda Stevenson** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:10 pm

I need someone to check indexs for a burial in Glasgow for a John Stevenson. All I know is that in 1841 he was 58 years old and lived on Clyde St. He was married to a Jean (Jane) Walker. Can't find him in the 1851 census, so I'm assuming he's dead by then. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
Wanda

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:36 pm

Hi Wanda
It is difficult sometimes to find someone in a city environment. Much easier if they are in the country - everybody lives in the same parish and only one local cemetery!

To check for a death or burial in Glasgow you would really need to know what parish he was living in (but even that is not conclusive - he may have been buried in a different parish!). I'm sure someone more familiar with Glasgow might know what parish Clyde Street falls into, but even then some of the Glasgow parishes, like Barony, were huge, taking in a large area and thousands of people.

Is Jean (Jane) a widow in 1851?

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **emanday** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:50 pm

Hi Wanda,

I made enquiries in Glasgow about finding a burial for a rellie in roughly the same period but the response was less than hopeful. Without the Parish, as Lesley said, it would be a huge undertaking and, even if they were willing to try, which they weren't without more information, there was no guarantee of success.

Wanda Stevenson · Post by **Wanda Stevenson** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:00 am

Hi;
Ok, heres where it gets really interesting!! According to the 1851 census, John and Jean lived on Clyde St, in Barony. But it also says that the "Ecclesiastical" parish is Milton. So, I'm real confused, however that appears to be nature for the course when it comes to my family:( Got a letter today from the Scottish archives, and they said that "From 1844 to 1880, the Relief congregation that had begun as Dovehill worshipped in a church at 21 Cathedral Street, before moving to Kelvingrove Street to become Kelvingrove. During most of this period they were known as Cathedral Street United Presbyterian Church.

We hold the church records of Glasgow Presbytery, but unfortunately, no records survive for Cathedral Street United Presbyterian Church."
So, I have no idea where to go to from here, except maybe back to bed with a cold pack to nurse my headache that I feel coming on
Wanda

Post by **AndrewP** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:29 am

Wanda Stevenson wrote:Ok, heres where it gets really interesting!! According to the 1851 census, John and Jean lived on Clyde St, in Barony. But it also says that the "Ecclesiastical" parish is Milton. So, I'm real confused, however that appears to be nature for the course when it comes to my family:( Got a letter today from the Scottish archives, and they said that "From 1844 to 1880, the Relief congregation that had begun as Dovehill worshipped in a church at 21 Cathedral Street, before moving to Kelvingrove Street to become Kelvingrove. During most of this period they were known as Cathedral Street United Presbyterian Church.

We hold the church records of Glasgow Presbytery, but unfortunately, no records survive for Cathedral Street United Presbyterian Church."
So, I have no idea where to go to from here, except maybe back to bed with a cold pack to nurse my headache that I feel coming on

Hi Wanda,

Barony was a civil parish, which was the main unit used for the censuses of 1841 and 1851. Particularly in the city parishes, these were divided into a number of ecclesiastical parishes. As I understand it, originally the civil and ecclesiastical parishes had originated as the same thing, but as the cities expanded, new parish churches (Established Church of Scotland) were established, and hence new ecclesiastical parishes were formed. In many cases, these ecclesiastical parishes, sometimes known as Quoad Sacra (QS) parishes were used as the basis for the Registration Districts that wee established in 1855, when civil registration began.

The NAS index has an enrtry at CH3/353 for Glasgow, Cathedral Square (Duke St.) United Presbyterian Church (later United Free and Church of Scotland, united with Regent Place Church in October, 1941) for years 1877-1941. Is this the same place? If it is, the NAS do not hold these records, they are in Glasgow City Archives in the Mitchell Library.

Glasgow City Archives - Scottish Church History Collection

All the best,

AndrewP

Wanda Stevenson · Post by **Wanda Stevenson** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:33 pm

Andrew;
Thankyou for the info, it cleared up alot of things for me. Checked out the Mitchell Library, and they told me none of the records for the Cathedral United Pres. Church survived.

So, another dead end. But thanks for your help anyway.
Wanda

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:47 pm

Hi Wanda,
Sorry I cannot help with the deaths or burial of your Stevensons.
You might find a bit more info on the Kirk here though.

http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/airgli/

It is well worth a look at anyway, even if ye urnie a Weegie.
Interestingly enough I am up tae Toonheid on Tuesday, tae take a few pics o' Portree Street and the Martyr's Monument.
This is for a Teenie McFarlane, who's faimily and mine, were also members of Do'hill Relief Church. in the 1820s.
I will take a pic or two of what was Clyde Street, jist in case.
That is assuming Tayport street was indeed Clyde street in the 1840s
Will check a map.
There are a couple from the 1960s in the Virtual Mitchell.
http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualm ... p?a=street

I have seen records from the Church when John Barr and Robert and John Brodie were ministers, but they are in private ownership.

Jist in case oanywan is interested in the book, "Glimpses of old Glasgow" there is a nice copy available at the Barras £16.
This is a good buy. (no often ye get that oanywher these days)

Davie

Wanda Stevenson · Post by **Wanda Stevenson** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:55 pm

Davie;

Greetings, Thankyou soooooooooooo much for your help. I am hopelessly lost, and being in Canada doesn't help, I envy your closeness! It would be great if you could take some pictures and @ least let me see them, or give me an idea where the cemetery is. It's too bad the records for the church don't exist any more. Oh well.
Again thanks for your help
Frustrated in Canada,
Wanda

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:58 pm

Greetin's Waanda,
Frae a nice and sunny Glesga this efternin'.
I ventured up tae the frozen North yesterday.
Well, it wiznae aw that frozen, jist a wee bit parky.
Not much luck on the photie takin' o' Clyde/Tayport street, as it is motorway noo.
I dug oot a few auld PO, Pigot's and Slater's directories to see if I could get any more info for you.
I have put a wee scan o' part of the 1841 map in the gallery under Directory map (I think)
Clyde Street is in the bottom left hand corner and Sighthill cemetery to the north.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1148

I had to reduce the size for the gallery, so hope it is legible, if not I can e-mail the larger version.
Photo to follow
Davie

Gallery url added by Marilyn

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:02 pm

Thanks Marilyn,
Have added wan o' Dobies Loan.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1149

Davie

Gallery URL added - AndrewP