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WilmaM
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Post by WilmaM » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:34 pm

Longest Marriage:
My Husband's Grandparents will celebrate 65 years this June - since 1944.

Oldest bride or groom:

John Oliver was 59 1863

Largest age gap:
Seems to be 11 years, when the above Jock Oliver married Jane Mackie she was 48 .

Most marriages:
A few 2nd marriages here and there but most seemed to be content to live as widows. My cousins' G.Grandpa Robert Golder buried 3 wives though.

Most offspring with one partner:

16 I was told: Elizabeth and Joseph Allan had 9 by 1955 another 3 confirmed on the IGI and censuses, but few of the sons seem to survive to census dates :(

Most offspring from multiple marriages:
6 or 7 is the most I've found, as the few 2nd marriages were beyond child bearing years.
Wilma

speleobat2
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Post by speleobat2 » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:51 pm

Hi all,

My 2x great aunt Agnes Cadenhead died in 1932 at the age of 103 years and she never married at all. Hmmmm. :-k Wonder if there's a connection there somewhere?

Carol :D
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

SarahND
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Post by SarahND » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:56 pm

Hi Carol,
I think you might have something there... my longest lived relative was my great aunt Mabel, who never married and lived to be 97 8) Mind you, her sister, my grandmother, lived to be 94 even though she did marry :lol:

Regards,
Sarah

Ina
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Post by Ina » Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:47 pm

Hi Sarah,

Shoot that idea down......my great grandmother was married six times and lived to be 98.......she outlived all the husbands.

She drank like a fish and snorted snuff :lol: :lol: :lol: . I remember the wee snuff box she used to carry with her all the time.

Ina

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Post by SarahND » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:21 pm

Hi Ina,

:lol: :lol: :lol: Maybe it all comes down to genes, whatever else is going on in our lives?! Either that, or...
Ina wrote: She drank like a fish and snorted snuff

:shock: :shock:

Sarah

Ina
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Post by Ina » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:38 pm

Hi Sarah,

I'm hoping it's the genes.......but just in case it's not......perhaps I should take up drinking and snorting :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ina

speleobat2
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Post by speleobat2 » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:42 pm

Thanks Heather for this post! It has certainly led to some interesting statistics!

Along with Gr. gr. Aunt Aggie, in my family people seemed to have married late--30 years old or older, had 3-6 children and relatively short marriages because of the death of one spouse. What struck me was that in all but one family the surviving spouse, male or female, never married again. In that one family, the male spouse didn't remarry until after the children had grown up and left home.

Maybe the first time around was true love?!

Carol :D
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

Muriel
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Post by Muriel » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:25 pm

Longest marriage(s) in direct line: 56 years - paternal grandparents & maternal great great grandparents Thomas Ross & Isabella McDougall. Isabella was married at 15 or 16 (haven't got her exact birth date) so is my youngest bride. 1st cousin twice removed Elizabeth Mann & Vollto Bernardini managed 61 years of marriage.

Oldest groom in direct line is great-grandfather John Glover who married for the second time at the age of 49. His bride, Catherine Crawford, was 30 so they hold the record for largest gap in age.

Most children with 1 spouse in direct line are 12 children to William Sorbie & Grizel Wilson & most with more than 1 spouse the above John Glover who manged 7 with his first wife Mary Stewart & then 5 with Catherine. Mary Boden, a 2nd cousin twice removed, became the 2nd wife of James Baird Neilson & had 13 children; he already had 8 by his first wife so holds the overall record for my tree!

It certainly made me look at my tree in a different way!

Muriel
Searching Ross - Lochwinnoch & Eaglesham, Renfrewshire; Glasgow; Glover - Paisley; Macadam - Glasgow.

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Post by paddyscar » Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:06 am

Ina wrote:...my great grandmother was married six times and ........
She drank like a fish
Maybe that's why, Ina! :lol:

Frances
John Kelly (b 22 Sep 1897) eldest child of John Kelly & Christina Lipsett Kelly of Glasgow

JustJean
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Post by JustJean » Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:39 am

#1 The longest Marriage?
I seem to have two competing for first place here. My maternal grandparents were both born in 1899 and wed 1 January 1922. Grammie died 1 Dec 1989 and Grampa survived her by nearly another 10 years dying 7 Nov 1999. My calculations say they were married for 67 years, 11 months.

I have another set of direct line 6th gr grandparents (Lazarus Rowe and Mary Webber) who wed on 11 Oct 1752 and she died 27 Jun 1829 and he survived her by almost 3 months til 14 Sep 1829. All I know is that he was born in Jan of 1726 and she was born about a year later. That is one heckuva long time to be married :shock: …. 76 years, 8 months, and 16 days


#2 The oldest Groom or Bride?
Wow I haven’t found any real old timers yet. Perhaps it’s the second marriage of my Paternal gr-grandparents…..he being a forty year old widower of 11 years and she being a 48 year old widow of 21 years. The odd bit here? They were already my gr-grandparents before they married! Go figure that one out!! :wink:


#3 The largest age gap between bride and groom?
Biggest gap so far is 20 years. Nathaniel Day born 1755 took as his second wife Rachel Pendexter who was born in 1775. They wed 15 Feb 1791. This union would prove to be the fly in the ointment for all the rest of my research as I manage to descend directly from one of Nathaniel first marriage offspring and then two of his second marriage offspring and my genealogy software groans mightily when producing certain reports! Not only that but my husband also descends from Rachel’s brother. Yup that makes us 6th cousins!!! Interesting also to note Rachel had a bit of struggle getting widow’s benefits of Nathaniel’s military pension too as they didn’t buy the fact that she had been truly married to him because of the age difference. Nathaniel passed away sometime after 1827 but Rachel survived him by a good many years. From court records we learn that she had no written evidence of the date of their marriage or of the dates of birth of her children but took family and neighbors to court with her to testify on her behalf. Her sister verified she had attended Rachel’s wedding and took care of her at the birth of her first child. This sister’s husband who was age 74 at this time furthermore testified he had known Nathaniel and Rachel for 50 years and that he could write and had records in his bible about his own marriage and births of his own children and then he compared those dates to those of Nathaniel and Rachel. A sister of Nathaniel’s had been married by the same Elder Chadburn and knew the date of the two weddings for they were very close to each other. Rachel’s pension was finally granted. Seems the government had always been a bit of stickler for detail ehh?

#4 The most Marriages?
Several 3’s but nothing more exciting than that.

#5a The most offspring with 1 partner?
Most I can find so far is 12 with no twins.

#5b From Multiple Marriages?
3rd Gr Grandfather George Fluck had a total of 13 and I suspect there is one more but can’t prove it from two marriages.
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