Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by SarahND » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:57 pm

nelmit wrote:Hi Sarah,

The one I found is transcribed as Macdermott birth year 1876 according to the 1920 census of Illinois. One shows up same spelling in 1900.
Hi Annette :D

In 1900 the only one I can find with that spelling was born March 1872 in Ireland, according to the 1900 census, and is living in Lynn, Massachusetts. He is a day laborer and came to the U.S. in 1885.

There is also a Hugh McDermid, born January 1874 who is living in North Dakota and working as a farm laborer in 1900. He came to U.S. in 1892 and his parents were born in Ireland. So... correct month of birth, almost correct year, correct birthplace for parents and a good year of immigration. The only problem is that he says he is a Scot born in Canada :(

The one in Chicago, Illinois in 1920 was also born in Ireland (or so he says) and claims to have come the the U.S. in 1887. He is a salesman in a grocery store. His wife and brother-in-law were born in Pennsylvania.

So, a few more for the pot, but I'm not sure we've found him yet :?

All the best,
Sarah

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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by grannysrock » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:54 pm

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news !
Hugh's death on Ist August 1898 was registered in Bothwell with the surname spelt MacDiarmid * . I've had a wee look at the registration - I'm afraid he died in a coal mining accident at the N° 3 Coal pit Tannochside , but I am struggling to read some of the certificate - killed by a "Lacco" stone ?
his parents are named as Hugh MacDiarmid, Coalminer and Ellen Toner. he was aged 25 and single and the death informant was his brother in law Thomas Breach/Beach/Brach - I can't read it too well - of 35 Cuthbert Street , Tannochside .
Hugh's usual residence was also 35 Cuthbert Street , Tannochside
* This is the registrar's spelling - Brother in law Thomas registered the death with his mark and the registrar was his witness.

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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by nelmit » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:54 pm

grannysrock wrote:Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news !
Hugh's death on Ist August 1898 was registered in Bothwell with the surname spelt MacDiarmid * . I've had a wee look at the registration - I'm afraid he died in a coal mining accident at the N° 3 Coal pit Tannochside , but I am struggling to read some of the certificate - killed by a "Lacco" stone ?
his parents are named as Hugh MacDiarmid, Coalminer and Ellen Toner. he was aged 25 and single and the death informant was his brother in law Thomas Breach/Beach/Brach - I can't read it too well - of 35 Cuthbert Street , Tannochside .
Hugh's usual residence was also 35 Cuthbert Street , Tannochside
* This is the registrar's spelling - Brother in law Thomas registered the death with his mark and the registrar was his witness.

Sally
Brilliant - well sort of :( Sally.

The accident is reported at the excellent Scottish Mining Accidents site.

Regards,
Annette

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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by AndrewP » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:16 am

grannysrock wrote:Hugh's death on Ist August 1898 was registered in Bothwell with the surname spelt MacDiarmid * . I've had a wee look at the registration - I'm afraid he died in a coal mining accident at the N° 3 Coal pit Tannochside , but I am struggling to read some of the certificate - killed by a "Lacco" stone ?
his parents are named as Hugh MacDiarmid, Coalminer and Ellen Toner. he was aged 25 and single and the death informant was his brother in law Thomas Breach/Beach/Brach - I can't read it too well - of 35 Cuthbert Street , Tannochside .
Hugh's usual residence was also 35 Cuthbert Street , Tannochside
* This is the registrar's spelling - Brother in law Thomas registered the death with his mark and the registrar was his witness.
I've taken a look at the death certificate. The cause of death was crush by fall of stone; where and when died was killed by a fall of stone, from No 3 Coal Pit, Tannochside.

The informant was Thomas Brady (or Bradey, depending which box you read the info from on his marriage certificate; indexed by both spellings by SP), husband of Annie McDermott (mother's maiden surname: Tonner).
rosieno1 wrote:Can you help me trace Annie. I think she may have been born in Derry, though some subsequent census returns say she was born in Shotts. I had a great deal of trouble finding Ellen's birth - mis-registered as Helen McDermatt - but despite the use of multi wild cards, I cant find Annie. It may be that she was born in Derry - but if so I cant find her on the LDS pilot search site either. It may be that she was born before the marriage, as on some census's she is given as 2 years older than Ellen. Any help would be gratefully rec'd! Ps the parents were Hugh McDermott and Ellen(Eleanor on the marriage certificate) Toner (Tonner on most scottish certs)
Annie's age given on her marriage certificate implies that her birth year should be around 1866. Annie's age given on death certificate implies a birth year of 1869-1870, from information given to the registrar by her son, Patrick. Also from the death certificate, Annie was married twice. Annie's age given on her second marriage certificate also implies a birth year around 1866.

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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by grannysrock » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:33 am

Thanks Andrew, you have confirmed that my "new" glasses from 1807? are needing an update.
And good thinking Annette !
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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by Currie » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:05 am

Hello All,

I had a look in the Glasgow Herald to see if there was anything additional about the accident to what was in the Bellshill Speaker. I didn’t have any luck there but did stumble across this article on Tuesday, April 10, 1900.

WORKMEN'S COMPENSATION CASE.
Sometime ago an action was raised in the Sheriff Court at Airdrie at the instance of Hugh M’Diarmid or M’Dermont, Cleland, against the Calderbank Steel and Coal Company (Limited) for compensation on account of the death of his son resulting from injuries received while in the defenders' employment. Sheriff Mair has now issued the following interlocutor and note, which fully explain the case and the question of law involved therein:—
Airdrie, 4th April, 1900—Having heard parties' procurators and considered the cause, finds (1) that the applicant is the father of the deceased Hugh M’Diarmid or M’Dermont, junior, who was a workman in the employment of the defenders at No. 3 pit, Tannochside, on 1st August, 1898, and for about a month prior to that date; (2) that on said date the deceased while working at the face in the said pit was killed by a stone from the roof falling upon him; (3) that the average wage of the deceased at the time of his death was 30s per week; (4) that the deceased while employed at the said pit lived with his married sister, Mrs Brady, and paid her from his wages 11s per week for his board and lodgings; (5) that during said period he occasionally went to his father’s (the applicant’s) house on the Saturdays, and gave to him sums varying from 10s to 13s out of his wages; (6) that also during said period the average wage earned by the applicant as a miner was at least 20s a week, while it is proved that but for the policy of the miners resolving to work only five days a week he could have earned considerably more, and that since the 1st of August, 1898, the applicant and other miners are earning or capable of earning wages of at least 30s a week; (7) that the applicant is a married man, and lives in family with his wife and seven children, their ages respectively being 19, 17, 16, 14, 9, 9 (twins), and 7, that of these children three of them living in family with him were at the time of the death of the deceased, their brother, engaged in a brick-work at Auchinlea, earning wages amounting together to £1 10s 6d per week, which were given to the applicant, and that at the date of the proof a fourth girl was engaged at the same work earning a wage of 6s per week; (8) that taking together the wages earned by the applicant and those earned by the three eldest daughters at the brick-work, the income brought into the house per week was at least £2 10s 6d, while now it is more by the fourth daughter being employed at the said work; (9) that although the deceased occasionally gave to the applicant, his father, sums from his earnings while employed at Tannochside, these sums were really not of the nature of necessities for the support and maintenance of the applicant, but more from a filial regard for the greater comfort of his family; (10) that the applicant claims under the Workmen's Compensation Act, 1897, compensation as a dependant of the deceased at the time of his death. Finds with reference to the foregoing findings that the applicant, having regard to his class and position in life as a miner, was not in the sense of the Workmen's
Compensation Act a dependant of the deceased, his son, either wholly or partially; therefore refuses the application, but in the circumstances finds no expenses.
(Signed) WM. LUDOVIC MAIR.
Note.—The only question in this case is whether the applicant was a dependant of his deceased son in the sense of the Workmen's Compensation Act. The findings in the above interlocutor are amply supported by the proof which was led, the result of which is, I have found that the applicant was not in the sense of the Act dependent on his deceased son. In the case of Simmons v. Whyte Brothers, 1899, 1 Q.B., 1005, "held that in order to bring himself within the Act as a 'dependant' an applicant for compensation must show that he was to some extent dependent upon the earnings of the deceased workman for the ordinary necessaries of life, having regard to his class and position in life, it is insufficient that he merely derived pecuniary benefit from such earnings. Whether an applicant is in that sense a dependant is a question of fact in each particular case." The findings in the interlocutor speak for themselves. (Intd.) W. L. M.
Agent for Petitioner—Mr G. D. Shearer, solicitor, Airdrie.
Agent for Defenders—Mr W. Burns Shand, writer, Glasgow.

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Hope that’s useful,
Alan

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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by rosieno1 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:34 am

Quick note ( need to be off to work!) - thanks everyone for all the help in finding these 2

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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by SarahND » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:42 pm

Oh dear :( Sad story. But a lot of good information for Jane to go through. Nice team effort! =D>

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Re: Hugh McDermott born 13.01.1873

Post by rosieno1 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:49 pm

A more considered thank you!

Thanks to all involved for their help in resolving both mysteries! Annie was indeed illegitimate, and born in Derry, before the whole family, including the McDermott in-laws, and Mrs Toner, transported themselves to Lanarkshire! I will undoubtedly request a photocopy of the birth cert, considering all the effort involved!

As regards Hugh, though a sad situation, the solving of this mystery is even more satisfying! I'm afraid quite a few of my ancestors have died in mining accidents - but I haven't seen as much info. about the others. The 'stuff' about the compensation case is heartbreaking.

I'm sure you will all be interested to hear that the Mrs Brady who Hugh was staying with, and who's husband Thomas was the informant on his death cert,was non other than the elusive Annie!

Annie was indeed married twice, firstly to Thomas Brady, and secondly to John Reynolds. That was a bit of a family tradition,. as the three eldest McDermott, Annie, Ellen & Rosina married three Reynolds brothers!

Anyway, to Annette, Carol, Sarah and Sally, Andrew P, and Alan - thanks a lot for your help! I'll have to go look for an even more curious case to get you all working on!
Janex