'morning,
Andrew, I have the marriage registration of William Hastie and Mary Meloy at St. John the Baptist Roman Catholic Church in Perth. The date is 1st Jan 1856, witnessed by Peter Quigley and Ann Meloy, performed by John Stewart McCorry. And I have the statutory registration of their marriage, ages of 26, their usual residence as Crieff, and their parents being William Hastie (deceased) and Mary Dimond, John Meloy (stoneware dealer) and Margaret McDonald. (I had trouble understanding a couple of names so I had someone at the GRO help me decipher them.)
Annette, the info you have must be the 1851 census, is that right? It's the one I haven't retrieved, as yet!
So, if William was 26 when he married in 1856, he was born in 1830-31ish in Ireland. What would be the route to go in Ireland? We are blessed to have Scotlands People, is there something similar in Ireland?
Regards,
sandysbairn
Heasty/Hastie
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Re: Heasty/Hastie
Sandysbairn,
I would add a few other points to the information that Russell gave you about why Irish people emigrated. Throughout the 1800s the population of Ireland doubled from 4 million to 8 million. No-one is entirely clear why but a much reduced neo-natal death rate appears to have been a factor. Next, Ireland has very few natural resources like coal, iron ore etc and so didn’t experience the industrial revolution that England, Scotland & Wales enjoyed so there was no great expansion of comparatively well paid jobs in Ireland, as there was in GB. The only employment in most of Ireland was subsistence level farming. In a small family farm it wasn’t viable to subdivide the land between the children. The farm usually went to the eldest son and rest of the children had to leave, save perhaps for the youngest daughter who might be encouraged to stay at home to look after her parents.
The arrival of the railways both in Ireland and in Britain made internal travel so much easier and this was also a contributory factor in speeding up the emigration exodus. The famine was a very important factor. Potatoes grow particularly well in the wet Irish soil and you could get more to the acre than of any other crop. So small farmers became one crop dependant. And so when that crop failed, as it did fully or partially on about 22 summers over the period 1800 – 1870 the consequences were fatal. Notably 1846 - 49 when it failed 3 years in a row, meaning that people exhausted all their stored potatoes and had to eat their seed potatoes leaving them with nothing to fall back on. People who couldn’t emigrate starved to death. At least a million died and a million more emigrated. The population of Ireland has never recovered and even today is only 5.5 million.
It was standard to put Ireland as the place of birth in the Scottish and English censuses. However sometimes people put the actual county or town/townland they came from. So check every census that Hugh, William & Mary are in, in case that happened. Other sources for the Irish place of birth are obituaries, wills, gravestones and Poor Law applications which can often say where the person came from.
Births in Ireland were only registered from 1864 onward so you won’t find a birth cert for Wm or Mary. There may be a record of their baptism, if the records have survived, but to find that you really know exactly where they came from as there is no central index.
I have attached a link that shows you what RC parish records exist, and where they are held, should you succeed in narrowing the search sufficiently. Unlike Scotland the records are not on line and you generally need to get someone to search them for you, especially if you are doing a browsing search.
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/brow ... es/rcmaps/
I looked for Dimond in the 1901 Irish census and there are only167 entries, so not a very common name. None in Co Monaghan and none in Armagh but 16 in Antrim.
Elwyn
I would add a few other points to the information that Russell gave you about why Irish people emigrated. Throughout the 1800s the population of Ireland doubled from 4 million to 8 million. No-one is entirely clear why but a much reduced neo-natal death rate appears to have been a factor. Next, Ireland has very few natural resources like coal, iron ore etc and so didn’t experience the industrial revolution that England, Scotland & Wales enjoyed so there was no great expansion of comparatively well paid jobs in Ireland, as there was in GB. The only employment in most of Ireland was subsistence level farming. In a small family farm it wasn’t viable to subdivide the land between the children. The farm usually went to the eldest son and rest of the children had to leave, save perhaps for the youngest daughter who might be encouraged to stay at home to look after her parents.
The arrival of the railways both in Ireland and in Britain made internal travel so much easier and this was also a contributory factor in speeding up the emigration exodus. The famine was a very important factor. Potatoes grow particularly well in the wet Irish soil and you could get more to the acre than of any other crop. So small farmers became one crop dependant. And so when that crop failed, as it did fully or partially on about 22 summers over the period 1800 – 1870 the consequences were fatal. Notably 1846 - 49 when it failed 3 years in a row, meaning that people exhausted all their stored potatoes and had to eat their seed potatoes leaving them with nothing to fall back on. People who couldn’t emigrate starved to death. At least a million died and a million more emigrated. The population of Ireland has never recovered and even today is only 5.5 million.
It was standard to put Ireland as the place of birth in the Scottish and English censuses. However sometimes people put the actual county or town/townland they came from. So check every census that Hugh, William & Mary are in, in case that happened. Other sources for the Irish place of birth are obituaries, wills, gravestones and Poor Law applications which can often say where the person came from.
Births in Ireland were only registered from 1864 onward so you won’t find a birth cert for Wm or Mary. There may be a record of their baptism, if the records have survived, but to find that you really know exactly where they came from as there is no central index.
I have attached a link that shows you what RC parish records exist, and where they are held, should you succeed in narrowing the search sufficiently. Unlike Scotland the records are not on line and you generally need to get someone to search them for you, especially if you are doing a browsing search.
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/brow ... es/rcmaps/
I looked for Dimond in the 1901 Irish census and there are only167 entries, so not a very common name. None in Co Monaghan and none in Armagh but 16 in Antrim.
Elwyn
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Re: Heasty/Hastie
Sandysbairn,
For temporary access to the 19th Century British Library Newspapers go down this path. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15443
A search there for hastie muthill will find it easily.
Alan
For temporary access to the 19th Century British Library Newspapers go down this path. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15443
A search there for hastie muthill will find it easily.
Alan
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Re: Heasty/Hastie
'morning everyone,
Once again, many thanks for the mountain of information you have sent. I really appreciate your taking the time to help with my brick wall. I will check with ScP for wills etc. as you suggested, Elwyn, and hope to hear from "Kath".
Cheers,
sandysbairn
Once again, many thanks for the mountain of information you have sent. I really appreciate your taking the time to help with my brick wall. I will check with ScP for wills etc. as you suggested, Elwyn, and hope to hear from "Kath".
Cheers,
sandysbairn
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Re: Heasty/Hastie
Hi, Saw your message in my inbox about my previous posts for help, regarding the Meloy/Hastie etc. Sent you a reply with my e-mail addy. If it did not come through please let me know. Kath.