Patents?

[littlealison]

Hi there Alan.
Cost seems to compare with now - which makes it VERY expensive.
They didn't want them long, did they? Too much reading.
And the US didn't want the British..........!

Interesting. Your idea had to be important. You had to have money - but if you wanted to start a new factory, I guess you had to have money anyway.....

Still haven't found a tank furnace one by Siemens in 1865-70, but I think there must have been one. I'm pretty sure by now that each of my John Littles was trying to set up a tank furnace - in both Dublin and Newton. And get in early, like with the regenerative furnace.

Thanks - cheers, Alison

[littlealison]

PS Alan - I've got a sad old TV and washing machine too - how about a house call for all three....!

[littlealison]

Sorry, big delay here.
(My new computer is fine and I have got used to W7......my sister gave me her old 32" TV set which is fine - and! my old 22" TV is now my new bigger computer monitor!)

Back to the patents:
I have now found a patent from 25th May 1870 with both the Siemens brothers' names to it. The number is 1513 of that year, and it is definitely about glass furnaces, but this is not the full details. Can anyone find me the full version?

- For anyone looking for something similar, I found this via:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search .

The washing machine is still sick...

[Currie]

Hello Alison,

Is this any help? http://books.google.com.au/books?id=3P0 ... J&pg=PA349

This book could be useful if you could get hold of a copy. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=pBp ... CFAQ6AEwBg

If you end up with the 32” as a monitor you’ll probably have to get a bigger mouse mat.

All the best,
Alan

[littlealison]

Alan, I think this is exactly what I was looking for. He is already talking about tank furnaces as if they are in operation, and it's because I found the bit about a demonstration by him in 1870, that I was looking for this.

It seems from what I have found recently that there was a time when there were all kinds of experimentation about tanks going on just before this..........probably at the works in Newton-le-Willows too.
I am beginning to wonder if this is why the works were leased to the Borrons and reopened, to try and perfect a tank setup for Pilkingtons, who only started using tanks and producing glass continuously in 1873.
Does this make sense?

There's an article on this available by Cable for £10 - I'm considering it.

(PS - no. I will just soup up this mouse for speed!)

[littlealison]

Hi there.
I've now found a reference in the British Library archives to a patent by a man called Antoine Pocheron for - guess what - a tank furnace in 1866. (Can't link you to this Alan!)

It's promising - someone in St Helens being sued for using the patent without permission, and it makes clear that there were many kinds of experiments going on at this time. (Liverpool Mercury, Nov. 27th 1869.) The plaintiffs won.

I can't find anything about Pocheron online............can anyone help here?
The patent is No. 1297 in 1866, can anyone find the details for me? - Alison

[garibaldired]

There's this:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... 4/page.pdf

Best wishes,
Meg

[garibaldired]

And this:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... 0/page.pdf

and again:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... 8/page.pdf


Meg

[littlealison]

Thank you Meg!
i still don't know the details, but now I know it is possible that both John Littles left Scotland to try out this technology.
The thing was that I only had the name Siemens to any patent for a tank furnace, and this was rather later than 1866, when the works in Newton-le-Willows was apparently restarted.

I have written to Pilkingtons archives about this to see if they have any records of the time when the works were reopened.
No answer yet. A pity that there was no local newspaper printing there at the time! - Alison.

[littlealison]

I have also been wondering why it should have been the Borron/Little partnership who came south to Newton-le-Willows to take on the reopening of the works. Until it suddenly clicked that the Pilkington brothers had only to read the Glasgow Herald in 1862 to find some people already experienced in trying out new Technology!

(See: http://bit.ly/14qrhwN .)