My John Casey - again

[Tracey]

John Casey

I know I have posted on these before but I need a clean sheet !

Found 1861 in Angel Street Sheffield England
John Casey 27 Monachan Ireland – I think this should read Monaghan Ireland
Wife Helen 26 – says born in Glasgow.
John 4 Glasgow
William 2 Glasgow

A marriage search on SP OPR 1850- 1854 no returns and a statutory marriage search 1855- 1861 also no returns and nothing on Freebmd and i know nothing of Catholic records IF that is the case here.
I have searched half the John and William births on SP to no avail – the other half will have to wait till I have money to waste !

Below 1871 it looks like John Casey has a new wife (my gg grandmother) Ann Phillips. There is a marriage in Huddersfield 1864 for these two. So I am assuming Helen died between 1861 – 64 but cant find a death in Scotland or England.


1871 in Preston Lancashire England
John 36 Ireland
Wife Ann 48 Ireland
John 14 Glasgow
William 12 Glasgow
James 6 Huddersfield
Francis 5 Ipswich
Robert 2 Ipswich
Henry 7m Peston

1881 Vine Street Chorley Lancashire England
John 43 Ireland
Ann 38 Ireland
John 23 Scotland
William 21 Scotland
James15 Huddersfield
Francis 14 Ipswich
Henry 10 Peston
Joseph 5 Ireland
George 2 Chorley

Despite the age discrepancy between 1871 – 81 Ann is the same Ann - births of children on Lancashire BMD gives parents names.

1891 Garngad Road Glasgow Scotland
John 54 Ireland
Ann 47 England
George 12 England
Edmund 9 England


John’s occupation of Shoemaker is consistent all through and he must have died somewhere between 1891 and 1901 census but i cant find it on SP.
Ann died June 1901 in Crownpoint Road Glasgow age 51 it says so her age is way out somewhere, i also cant find her on a 1901 census.

The main reason for this is to see if any of you think this is the same John Casey (followed from the 1861). I do but i need a second or ten opinions and if so I may finally be able to put a birth place in Ireland for him. For me, because they don’t seem to come from or belong to any one place I have found them quite annoying to research as I feel I am getting nothing back, so if anyone has the time or patience to follow this I would be most grateful.

Tracey

[paddyscar]

Hi Tracey:

Birth/christenings for John and William from the IGI

JOHN CASEY
Father: JOHN CASEY Family
Mother: HELEN WILKINSON
06 JAN 1859 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
1881 census
Birth Year <1858>
Birthplace Scotland
Age 23
Occupation Iron Moulder
Marital Status U <Unmarried>
Head of Household John CASEY
Relation Son
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Dwelling 12 Vine St
Census Place Chorley, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342010
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4218 / 34
Page Number 14


WILLIAM CASEY Pedigree
Birth: 12 JAN 1857 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Parents:
Father: JOHN CASEY Family
Mother: HELEN WILKINSON

Birth Year <1860>
Birthplace Scotland
Age 21
Occupation Shoemaker
Marital Status U <Unmarried>
Head of Household John CASEY
Relation Son

Source Information:
Dwelling 12 Vine St
Census Place Chorley, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342010
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4218 / 34
Page Number 14

Also: Born to John Casey and ELLEN MCKAY
John Casey 08 FEB 1857 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Of couple of deaths for Helen Wilkinson with on SP, with the most likely, the death in 1863 with a birth year of 1834. She is recorded only as Wilkinson, with no mention of Casey.

Couldn't find a marriage for Helen and John, but perhaps they were married in Ireland or it may have been an irregular, or even Catholic.

Hope this moves you in the right direction. It may mean you'll have to line up a new client for a colour so you can get back on SP

Frances

Added later: Forgot to mention that I did a search on SP for John and William and their births are listed and so you will be able to see if they are the right John and Helen. Possibly giving you a marriage date and place (I know some of mine for that time do)

[lizanne]

That is a confusing one. I'll have a look tonight to see if I can come up with anything.
Do you have Helen's maiden name ?
I did find one Helen Casey death on SP on an all district search and 4 possible's for John Casey in Lanark but unfortunately have no credits at moment to check them out.


Re Catholic marriages.
The Scottish Catholic Archives are at Columbia House Edinburgh. The Archdiocese of Glasgow & Diocese of Paisley retain their historic records.
The NAS has photocopies of all pre 1885 Roman Catholic Registers. Unfortunately they are cannot be searched online.[

[Tracey]

Lizanne
The Helen Casey death you found may have been my grandmas sister in 1921 - Aberdeen.

Frances i am weilding that tint brush as i read this !

Typical, i very rarely post a question and when ido AOL decides to have problems with a server

Thanks for getting back to me on this one and it gives me something / a reason to get interested in this side again - its one of those sides for me where i cant see the wood for the trees so to speak !

Huge thanks

Tracey

[Chris Paton]

The Scottish Catholic Archives are at Columbia House Edinburgh. The Archdiocese of Glasgow & Diocese of Paisley retain their historic records.
The NAS has photocopies of all pre 1885 Roman Catholic Registers. Unfortunately they are cannot be searched online.[

The records held by the SCA are being digitised for ScotlandsPeople, so will eventually come online! If searching them at NAS, you will need to first of all sign a form before accessing them. I can't remember why, I think it was a disclaimer of some sort, but I've only ever had to sign the form the first time I used these records. Scottish Catholic baptismal and marriage registers are really useful for searching even after 1855, as they list witness who are often siblings. Considering most were Irish, that info tends to come in handy!

Chris

[lizanne]

Tracey,

I am unable to find a marriage for John and Helen.

There is a birth for Helen Wilkinson on IGI but it is unlikely to be her as it is 1845 in Fife.

There is one death for Helen Casey and one for Helen Wilkinson both Lanark both 1863 on SP.As I have no credits I couldn't check it out.

I am unable to find a death for John Casey 1891-1901 on SP but if I use soundex there are 4 in Lanark between 1895 & 1899.

Lizanne

[Tracey]

Hi Lizanne

I had a whole answer typed out and just lost it all !

I suppose the short of it is i am not going to know answer this till i find Johns death and i hopefully should give Helens maiden name. I have looked at a lot of deaths for John that "fit" age place ect and even started on those that dont fit - its bound to be the last one i look at and as Casey is a name that needs a never ending money pit................. My line is actually from John and Ann and i have contacted everyone on genesre that i thought could well be connected but zilch

One day eh !

Huge thanks

Tracey

[Tracey]

Update (and maybe closure on this one unless i ask for a look up at The Mitchell )

Ok, my original post was really about discovering if I had the right John Casey. I have since discovered I have thanks to one of TS best detectives who kick started me and gave me renewed enthusiasm. I have also just last week discovered a connection (our 3x gt grandfathers were twins) who has been a god send and confirmed all that was found and given me information I wouldn’t have found. unless I could have made it to The Mitchell or Ireland. I have been a lucky girl this time.

Frances, the John and Helen / Ellen was my John with his first wife although no marriage has been found and there are conflicting marriage dates and years - but who cares, its him !!
This family truly were nomads and Johns death is still elusive and reading some of the information from The Mitchell he really could have died anywhere in the U.K.

Thanks to all for your time on this

Tracey