has anyone had the same problem?

susieq · Post by **susieq** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:43 pm

I've trying to do some work on my husband's side, and already i'm getting a blinking brick wall!
I found his great gran's marriage cert and obviously along with that was her mum and dads name do you think i can find their marraige cert or her birth cert????!!!! NO!
I have tried searching for Ella, Helen, Isabella, McVean. MacVean, Vain. Vane and every other spelling i can think of but no avail!!!!Can any one out there help, all suggestions gratefully recieved!
If any one can tell me how to upload an image of the marriage cert i will do it!
Susan.

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:46 pm

Hi Susan,
We've all had the same problem, you can be sure! Here are the instructions for uploading an image:

viewtopic.php?t=6496

Cheers,
Sarah

keewik · Post by **keewik** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:56 pm

Have you tried McBean or all permutations using 'B' instead of 'V' - I think maybe Gaelic spells it with a 'b' but pronounces it like 'v' (but wouldn't swear to that).

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:05 pm

Hi Susan,

The marriage certificate is in the Gallery and approved.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1624

All the best,

AndrewP

susieq · Post by **susieq** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:30 pm

Thanks to you all for your replies, yip i forgot to mention i've tried McBean and Mc*ean and Mc***n, now i'm begining to think that she wasn't born in scotland and her parents were not married here either!

I can't even seen to find her or them in the 1891 census or either parents deaths!

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:02 pm

Hi Susan,
It's an interesting marriage! Marriage by declaration, and they forgot to sign the register, so their names were filled in by the registrar

One hopes he got it right

Okay, here's a feeble try, just so you know you're not alone in your frustration... On the marriage cert Ella is said to be from "Lough Tummel". After a good deal of poking around I decided that must be something like Loch Tummel in Perthshire. Please anybody correct me if I'm wrong!!! I'm only guessing! So, in 1881 I searched for John, a mason, married to Margaret and living in Perthshire. Here is one such, with a connection to Haddington:

1881
Main Street, Kilmadock, Perthshire
John McBeth, 31, Head, born Kilmadock, Perthshire, Mason
Margaret McBeth, 32, Wife, born Dirleton, Haddingtonshire
Duncan McBeth, 1, Son, born Kilmadock, Perthshire

However, I can't find that this couple ever had a daughter anything like Ella... but it was nice for a moment

There is also an Ella McGregor, born in London, age 9 in the 1891 census for Little Dunkeld, Perthshire. Her mother is possibly Margaret. Since that was Ella's mother's maiden surname, it caught my attention.

1891
Brich Cottage, Little Dunkeld, Perthshire
William McGregor, 71, Head, born Old Machar, Aberdeenshire, Woollen Manufacturer
Annie McGregor, 46, Daur, born Alloa Clackmannanshire
Margaret McGregor, 27, Grandaur, born Kincardine, Perthshire
William McGregor, 11, Grandson, born London, Middlesex, Scholar
Ella McGregor, 9, Granddaur, born London, Middlesex, Scholar
Susanna McGregor, 6, Grand Daur, born London, Middlesex, Scholar
Eliza Melville Hutchison, 21, Visitor, born Perth, Perthshire
Jemima Hutchison, 16 Visitor, born Perth, Perthshire, Scholar
Robert Menzies, 52, Servant, born Inveraron, Banffshire, Woollen Weaver
James Strachan, 17, Servant, born Dundee, Forfarshire, Woollen Weaver
William McArthur, 15, Servant, born Paisley, Renfrew, Woollen Weaver

Again, I didn't get very far with it, although it would explain why you can't find her birth in Scotland! Let's see if someone else who is not as sleepy as I am can come up with something!

All the best,
Sarah

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:14 pm

Hi Susan,

Was Ella's death in Scotland? If so, what maiden surname does that give for her?

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:24 pm

Last try tonight: Ancestry seems to have stopped working, but here is one more thing:

I put "Tummel" in the address field, and got the following... John is not a mason, but he does have a plausible name, as does his sister

1901
Lack Tummel Cottage, Foss, Dull, Perthshire
John M Beath, 58, Head, born Blair Athol, Perthshire, Gamekeeper & Garden
Bella Beath, 60, Sister, born Blair Athol, Perthshire, Housekeeper
David Meldrum, 57, Lodger, born Forfar, Forfarshire, Labourer (general)
George King, 21, Lodger, born Cupar, Forfarshire, Labourer (general)
George Andrews, 24, Lodger

Cheers,
Sarah

susieq · Post by **susieq** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:42 am

Thank you all for trying!
Andrew that's another mystery, i can't seem to find a death cert for either John or Margaret, again Ive tried all sorts of name combos and spellings.
For Helens death obviously she had died by the time her daughter got married, but she had to be alive when she was born, so i've searched for her death, by Thomson, with and with out the P, and again under Ella, Helen and flippin Isabella, this is driving me MAD!!!

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:42 am

Thought I might as well throw this one in just to confuse things even more.

She interested me because of where she worked.

Hellon McGregor
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Gender: Female
Where born: Tarland, Kincardingshire
Registration Number: 713
Registration district: North Berwick
Civil Parish: North Berwick
County: East Lothian
Address: Steam Laundry H D Attached
Occupation: Laundress
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 32
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1901_409
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Lutherland 21
Agnes C McGregor 19
Hellon McGregor 19
Margaret A Stephen 45

Rgards,
Annette