Sutherland m: Esson ?- Orkney Islands

[DiDi]

Looking for a good friend:


Margaret SUTHERLAND born 13 Sept 1838 ch: 21 Nov Walls & Flotta, Orkney.
Father: James SUTHERLAND...Mother: Barbra STEWART who were married 11 Nov 1831 South Ronaldsay & Burray.

James SUTHERLANDS parents: John SUTHERLAND and Jane ESSON from Orkney. Her query: where were they born, marry & who were their other children & possibly where & when did they die.

Thank you.
DiDi



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[LesleyB]

Hi Di di
Can you tell us where you and your friend have looked already? He helps us to know what ground has already been covered and what has been found so far, so we are not duplicating effort.

Has you friend seen the OPR of the marriage? As you are probably aware, it becomes far more difficult to find parents for couples who were married prior to 1855.
Where did your friend find the info on James's parents? Has she seen his death entry if he died after 1855?
Is your friend in Scotland and so able to travel to archives etc?

In some cases finding information this far back can take months, even years...it can very much depends on the parish they lived in, if the OPR records were kept, if the records survivied, if the Kirk Session records were kept and have survived, how well off the ancestors were, (the wealthier they were they more likely there might be more of a paper trail - property, sasines, wills, deeds etc) if there are any monumental inscriptions, ....and many other angles.

First place to start would be SP and the IGI - have you searched there?

Best wishes
Lesley

[SarahND]

Her query: where were they born, marry & who were their other children & possibly where & when did they die.

Hi DiDi,
I'm confused whether you are looking for the family of James and Barbara, or of John and Jane. If James and Barbara, there is a likely household in North Leith in the 1851 census, with a daughter Margaret of the correct age and other children with births starting in 1832. They were already in Leith in 1841.

All the best,
Sarah

[DiDi]

Thank you both Lesley & Sarah for your replies & queries
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What I have been given so far:

Margaret Sutherland born 13 Sep 1838 Chr. 21 Nov 1838 Walls & Flotta Orkney.
Margarets parents: James Sutherland & Barbra Stewart Ba: C110324 So: 990517 Pr: 6902324 who married (parents) 11 Nov 1831 South Ronaldsay & Burray.

Barbra Stewarts parents were: William Stewart and Ann Sutherland of North C?, witnesses George & John Sutherland.

Margarets family moved from Orkney to Leith.

1851 census Leith Edinburgh:

James Sutherland 49, porter gen., b: Walls, Orkney
Barbara Sutherland 40 b: Sth Ronaldsay, Orkney
Robina Sutherland 19, b: Walls, Orkney
John Sutherland 17, auctioneer's Clerk, b: Walls, Orkney
Margaret Sutherland 11, b: Walls, Orkney
Emily Sutherland 7 b: Nth Leith Midlothian
William Sutherland 5, b: Nth Leith, Midlothian
James Sutherland 3, b: Nth Leith, Midlothian

Address: Hope St Cottages, Leith.

and in 1901 census

Margaret Jones 63, keeps boarders, bL Kirkwall, Orkney
Emily Goodwin (Jones) 34, daughter, tailor's wife b: Co. Cork, Fermany
Catherine Goodwin, 5, granddaughter, b: Glasgow
Elizabeth Goodwin 3, b: Leith
Margaret Johnston 39 visitor
Ivan F Vineburgh 29 Lodger
Julius Carseen 31 Lodger
John Crichton 52 Lodger

Address: 3 Bathfield Road, Leith

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My friends queries"
"I would like to find out more information on James Sutherland and Jane Esson in Orkney, when born, married & if there were more children.

Same with William Stewart and Ann Sutherland, when & where born, married and any more children.

As you mention, finding the answers to these queries means OPR's..fortunately my friend does lives in Scotland.

Other thought is to email OFHS & ask for their assistance as they have a wonderful family research centre in Kirkwall.

Thanks for letting me know they were already in Leith by 1841. Will post again if I find out more and thankyou both again for your suggestions.

DiDi

[DiDi]

From S.P. - Death Cert

James Sutherland - Market Gardner
married to: Barbara Stewart
died: 17 June 1888, Bathfield house, Leith
Age: 86 years
Father: John Sutherland, Shipmaster
Mother: Jane Sutherland m.s. Esson
Informant Margaret Baird ?

James Sutherland's daughter Margaret's married name was Jones.
why on death cert. Baird?

Margaret is on 1891 census but still as Jones.
Margaret Jones 53, washerwoman, b: North Ronaldsay, Orkney
John S Jones 19, son, Ordinary Seaman, b: East Indies, Camptce
rest are lodgers.
Address: Bathfield House Leith

1901 Census
Margaret Jones
Age: 63
Est. y.o.b: abt. 1838
Relationship: head


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[SarahND]

Hi DiDi,
Usually the relation is given between the informant and the deceased-- does it say Margaret Baird is his daughter, or could she have been a neighbour?

All the best,
Sarah

[nelmit]

My friends queries"
"I would like to find out more information on James Sutherland and Jane Esson in Orkney, when born, married & if there were more children.

Same with William Stewart and Ann Sutherland, when & where born, married and any more children.


DiDi

Barbara's sister, Margaret born 1795, was living with the family in 1871. Her married surname was Norquoy/Norquay although it's transcribed as Norgary at Ancestry.

I can only find this marriage in 1844. So as Margaret had 2 children with her in 1851 maybe her husband or she had been married before.

MARGARET STEWART

Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES NORQUAY
24 DEC 1844 South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland

1851 (coincidentally there is a Esson family 'next door')-
Margaret Norquoy 56
John Norquoy 24
Margaret Norquoy 18


Her 'daughter' Margaret married a James Sutherland (a seaman) in 1855 so that should be worth a look.

Regards,
Annette

Later................I think I have the wrong family in 1851, although I've left it in case of any links - this couple look more likely.

James Norquay 67
Margaret Norquay 50

[nelmit]

Don't know how you could prove it but could this be Margaret and mum Ann Sutherland in 1841 living at S. Ronaldsay?

Ann Stewart 75
Margaret Stewart 45

Regards,
Annette

[annie1]

Hi Di,

I dont know if you have visited this site before, but it has lots of information on Flotta and is a good help if you are researching this area www.flottawebguide.co.uk

On the site there is a link to someones personal Sutherland Tree, it might be worth a try.

Have you tried the Orkney family history society, I found them a fantastic help when doing my South Ronaldsay research. If John Sutherland was a shipmaster, there could be records regarding that.

Good Luck
Ann

[annie1]

Hi Di,

Some more I have found regarding Barbara Stewarts parents:

According to the 1821 Census for South Ronaldsay/Burray, William Stewart and Ann Sutherland, were living at, Mill, Eastside, South Ronaldsay along with children William, Robert, Barbara and George.

If you go to www.Southronldsay.net and look at the 1821 census you will find the family, then you can check with the household index and, Lisa, the owner has lots of additional information about them and thier children.
Its a mine of information.

Ann