PHILIP LENNON LOOKUP PLEASE

Genetrix · Post by **Genetrix** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:36 am

Hello, this is my first post. I've been browsing for a while and have decided to join in the hopes of some kind soul taking a peek at Ancestry.com for me.

I've been tracking the Lennon family who emigrated from Paisley, Renfrewshire to New Jersey, USA. Ellis Island website shows the parents PHILIP AND BRIDGET LENNON arriving in New York on May 9, 1910 with their two youngest daughters. Ship's manifest states they were going to join son PHILIP in New Jersey. I've also found other members of the family joining Philip Jnr. and his sister Bridget in New Jersey. However, I couldn't find how Philip Jnr. and sister Bridget got to the States as they were not listed on Ellis Island.

Ancestry.com shows a Philip Lennon crossing the border FROM Canada into New York at Rouses Point. I'd like to know when this was and if it gives a Canadian residence address. Also, was his sister with him.

Philip appears to have returned to Montreal, Canada in 1917 to join up for service in World War I. I also notice Ancestry.com has a Philip Lennon listed under British Army WWI Medal Rolls. I wonder if this is my Philip and what Regiment he served in. His Regiment # on enlistment was 2152413 and he was listed as a Gunner. His date of birth was 1/11/1885 born in Dalry, Ayrshire.

Sorry to be so long winded. Any help would be appreciated.

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:45 am

Hi Genetrix
..and welcome to Talking Scot.

You may be able to access Ancestry for free at your local library - it is certainly worth asking!

Failing that, you can always take out a short "pay-per-view" subscription which lasts for two weeks and allows you to download 12 records. I've often used this option when I've had a few things I wanted to see on Ancestry. As you have a couple of things to look up, this might be a good way to have a rummage in Ancestry without a long term commitment.
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/subscribe/sig ... &TargetId=

also notice Ancestry.com has a Philip Lennon listed under British Army WWI Medal Rolls.

If you look up your man on the National Archives site, you should be able to see the Regiment.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... ueryType=1
This is the Philip Lennon listed there:

Description Medal card of Lennon, Philip
Corps Regiment No Rank
Irish Guards 4636 Private

Trying just P Lennon gives a few more, but none with the number you have given.

Best wishes
Lesley

deano · Post by **deano** » Fri May 08, 2009 1:36 pm

Hello Genetrix,

Phillip Lennon, was actually born 1883. in Dalry, Ayr, to parents Phillip Lennon, and Bridget Gribbon,

Phillip Lennon, and Bridget Gribbon, were married 1879. Kilbirnie, Ayr.

Bridget Gribbon, was born in Ireland, about 1857.

Phillip Lennon, was born 26/Aug/1857, Auchinleck, Ayr, to parents Michael Lennon, and Agnes/Nancy Kelly.

Michael Lennon, was born in Ireland, about 1824.
Agnes/Nancy Kelly, was born in Ireland, about 1825.

Regards,
Jonn

deano · Post by **deano** » Fri May 08, 2009 1:46 pm

Hello Genetrix,

A little bit more information,

1881 census Garnock Street, Dalry, Ayr.

Philip Lennon, Head, Iron Miner, M. age 24 years, born Auchinleck, Ayr,
Bridget Lennon, Wife, M. age 24 years, F. born Ireland,
Bridget Lennon, Daur, age 2 years, F. born Kilbirnie, Ayr.

It looks like young Bridget, was actually a couple of years older than her brother Phillip, who is not as yet born by the time of this census.

Regards
Jonn.

Post by **paddyscar** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:05 pm

Hi Genetrix and Welcome to TalkingScot

As you live in Ontario, your local public library either currently has, or will have by Feb. 2010, access to Ancestry.com for all its patrons at no cost to you.

http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?

Frances

Genetrix · Post by **Genetrix** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:30 pm

Thank you all for your help. I do have some of the information you supplied Jonn. I have the 1891 census from Dalry and the 1901 census from Paisley for the Lennon family. Young Bridget shown as 21 in 1901 and young Philip as 17 but if his birthday was in November then that would make Bridget three years older than him if she'd already had her birthday by census time.

Father Philip doesn't seem to be able to decide just where he was born though as he's shown as being born in Dalry on the 1891 census and in Cumnock in 1901. Now you say he was born in Auchinleck. At least they're all in Ayrshire!!

I had no information on Philip Lennon Snr's parentage and thank you for that. I do know he had a brother Michael living in Salcoats in 1910 so that makes sense with the father also being Michael. The Lennons went on to have ten children, one named Agnes after her granny then. I was just wondering where you got the Irish information as I can't get anywhere with them on another branch of my family.

Lesley, I have been onto the National Archives website and saw the Philip Lennon you mentioned but don't know if it can be the same one. I have a photo of him showing a cap badge that looks very like the Gordon Highlanders. It has the stag's head with the antlers almost joining at the top. I think I may have to get a copy of his military records from Ottawa to satisfy myself on this. I wonder if the regiment number changed when he reached the UK since I can't find the one on his Canadian enlistment papers.

Frances, I'll give the library a go sometime this weekend.

Thanks again.

Tricia

deano · Post by **deano** » Fri May 08, 2009 5:24 pm

Hello Tricia,

This is the 1861. census index for Dalry, Ayr. Limited information, you can purchase the full census from Scotlandspeople.

Lenon Michael, age 37 years, born Ireland,
Lenon Agnes, age 36 years, born Ireland,
Lenon John, age 17 years, born Ireland,
Lenon Francis, age 14 years, born Ireland,
Lenon Michael, age 12 years, born Ireland,
Lenon Peter, age 8 years born Dalry,
Lenon Philip, age 3 years, born Dalry.

You will note Philip, aged three is stated as born Dalry, this is only three years after his birth and he was actually born in Auchinleck.

The name Lennon, will come in different variations, on births etc. ie Lennan.

The mothers first name on births in Scotland, will be Nancy, a variation of Agnes.

In Scotland, most people could not read or write in this period, education in Scotland, became compulsory by a act of Parliament, in 1875. but even then it was not completely implemented.

Regards,
Jonn.

Genetrix · Post by **Genetrix** » Sat May 09, 2009 12:41 pm

Thanks Jonn for the extra info. Much appreciated.

Tricia

deano · Post by **deano** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:46 pm

Hello Tricia,

You have the 1891 census for Dalry, by that time Michael Lennon, has died his widow Agnes Kelly Lennon, is living in Dalry, aged 63 years, her age is out by about three years from the 1861. census.

There is a death for a Agnes Kelly Lennon, 1898. in Dalry, Ayr, age 66 years, again the age is out by about 6 years.

I would be almost certain this is your lady, her death certificate should provide her husband and parents names, providing of course the person who registered her death new the details.

Michael Lennon, died 1874. Dalry, Ayr, age 51 years. again his death certificate should provide his wifes name, plus his parents names.

Regards,
Jonn.

deano · Post by **deano** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:17 pm

Hello Tricia,

Here is some more information on the Lennon's, as i said in a earlier post the surname will have many vaiations, and ages will put the less experienced Genealogist, off, ( i dont mean that you yourself might be inexperienced ).

This is the index for the family 1871. census Dalry, from Scotlandspeople.

Linnon Michael, age 50 years,
Linnon Nancy, age 45 years,
Linnon John, age 25 years,
Linnon Michael, age 21 years,
Linnon Peter, age 18 years,
Linnon Philip, age 13 years.

There is no doubt this is your family.

Regards,
Jonn.