any opinions on this please

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Margaret Glacken born 1839 lanarkshire, father Hugh Glacken, mother Catherine ms McCartney.

I have documention from the Mitchell Libriary dated 1862 which states the family are getting poor relief, Margaret is married to James Todd with one daughter (not named). I have never been able to find any marriage details for Margaret and James, however, there is a a James Todd and a Margaret McLachlan married in 1860 Margarets Father is Hugh, mother Catherine ms McCartney. Is this just a coinsidence or is it possible the surname has been mistranscribed? Glacken and McLachlan soud very similar.

all the best

Helen

[LesleyB]

Hi Helen

If all the other facts fit, it seem likely that the surname has been written down based on what someone thougth they heard. It happens quite often. And as you rightly say, if the name is said out loud, you can understand completely how the mistake may have been made.

(This is one area where us lot are often thought to be losing the plot, as our significant other walks past just as we are in the middle of conducting an experiment to better understand the situation, by saying these type of names out loud! )

I may be remembering wrongly thre, but are these folk not also from Ireland? Chuck in an accent not from the local area and there is even more chance of the registrar not quite hearing it correctly.

Best wishes
Lesley

[nelmit]

Margaret Glacken born 1839 lanarkshire, father Hugh Glacken, mother Catherine ms McCartney.

I have documention from the Mitchell Libriary dated 1862 which states the family are getting poor relief, Margaret is married to James Todd with one daughter (not named). I have never been able to find any marriage details for Margaret and James, however, there is a a James Todd and a Margaret McLachlan married in 1860 Margarets Father is Hugh, mother Catherine ms McCartney. Is this just a coinsidence or is it possible the surname has been mistranscribed? Glacken and McLachlan soud very similar.

all the best

Helen

Hi Helen,

I'd agree with Lesley including the talking out loud bit.

One way you might be able to double check is Margaret's address when she married. From the census records they did have a daughter - Margaret - about 1861/2 and went on to have lots more. Most of them are submissions on the IGI but Catherine born 1870 is a definite.

Regards,
Annette

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Blimey, you have a good memory Lesley.

I have just found Agnes birth on ScotlandsPeople, parents James Todd and Margaret ms Glacken married 30th november 1859. James Todd and Margaret McLachlan were married 30th november 1860. I am pretty much convinced these are my folk.

Not sure about the address though Annette, this family moved around a lot. The only one I have ever found on the 1861 census is Margarets brother Christopher, he was an inmate at the parish poorhouse.

Thank you both for your thoughts.

Helen

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just to confuse this even more for me. I have just found James Todd's death. Parents are named as Andrew Todd , mother Margaret Steven, the marriage for James and Margaret McLachlan name his parents as Andrew and Janet Craig. Not sure any more. I think it's time for bed.

Helen

[LesleyB]

Helen
Who was the death informant? Is it his wife?

I have a similar case, also involving a couple from Ireland who came to Glasgow and married there in 1856 so they are about ages with your couple. The problem in my case I think, is that the parents of both parties remained in Ireland, and the wife who is stating the parents of her husband never met her in-laws...she is only going on what may have been mentioned a few times.

When he married, my man gave his parents as being Edward & Bridget, and some years after his death when applying for poor relief his wife gave his parents as being Peter and Margaret ...but she seems to have got the surnames correct in my case. (names were not given on his death - he died in the poorhouse, and the inforrmant was what appears to be another inmate.)

If your situation is similar, with the in-laws remaining in Ireland, I really do think it may be a symptom of just not knowing, because she never met them, and perhaps they were not spoken about much...? I would trust what your man said himself at the time of his marriage.

Best wishes
Lesley

[nelmit]

Blimey, you have a good memory Lesley.

I have just found Agnes birth on ScotlandsPeople, parents James Todd and Margaret ms Glacken married 30th november 1859. James Todd and Margaret McLachlan were married 30th november 1860. I am pretty much convinced these are my folk.

Not sure about the address though Annette, this family moved around a lot. The only one I have ever found on the 1861 census is Margarets brother Christopher, he was an inmate at the parish poorhouse.

Thank you both for your thoughts.

Helen

Hi Helen,

Just assumed you had them in 1861 at 50 James Street, Calton -

Catren Clacken 50
Agness Clacken 18
John Clacken 15
Peter Clacken 11
Nackles Linch 67
Marry Linch 23
Agness Barrel 1
Helan Ralston 49

I'm sure this is Margaret at Broomward Street, Calton-

James Todd 20
Margt Colquhoun 21

There is somebody at Ancestry who has done a lot of research on this family. Looks as though Peter born 1850 is their ancestor.

Was it you I got the poorhouse application details for before?

Regards,
Annette

[LesleyB]

Nackles Linch

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Nackles Linch

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I like it! Just shows what accents they must have had! It's a good one to try your stongest Norn Iron accent on.

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Lesley,

The informant for James death was his son James. I take your point though. It is possible that James(son) did not know his grandparents or that Andrew married again. The Todds were Irish as well and neither James nor Margaret could write. I have seen documents where the have signed their mark as an x. I am pretty certain that the marriage details are mine.

Nackles Linch - that's hilarious.

Annette,

Thank you soooooo much for finding them on the 1861 census, I have said it before, there are some clever people on here. As for James Todd and Margt Colquhoun at Broomward street, I have seen that one before - I just thought it was a strange surname.
The someone on ancestry researching Peter - is me, he is my ggrandfather.

I went to the Mitchell Library myself last year when I was visiting family in Edinburgh.

thanks to you both for your help.

all the best

Helen