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Ann In the UK
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Is sorry enough?

Post by Ann In the UK » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:25 am

Kevin Rudd, the Australian Prime Minister, is about to deliver a national apology to a group known as the "Forgotten Australians" - the British children who were sent to Australia in the 50s for reasons best known only to those who sent them.
The story of the British child migrants sent to Australia has been described as a history of lies, deceit, cruelty and official disinterest and neglect.

Before being shipped out to Britain's distant dominion, many of the children were told their parents were dead, and that a more abundant life awaited them in Australia.

Most were deported without the consent of their parents, and commonly, mothers and fathers were led to believe that their children had been adopted somewhere in Britain.

On arrival in Australia, the policy was to separate brothers and sisters.

And many of the young children ended up in what felt like labour camps, where they were physically, psychologically and often sexually abused.

'Awful experience'

In testimony before a British parliamentary committee in the late 1990s, one boy spoke of the criminal abuse he was subjected at the hands of Catholic priests at Tardun in Western Australia.

A number of Christian brothers competed between themselves to see who could rape him 100 times first, the boy said.

Sandra Anker was sent out to Australia when she was six years old
They liked his blue eyes, so he repeatedly beat himself in the hope they would change colour.
(more of the article at the link - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 360150.stm)

There are calls for the current British government to also make a public apology to those involved - something which they've resisted doing so far.

So my question is, what difference does 'sorry' make? And - especially in cases where children have been ripped forever away from their families and mother's and father's have been ripped apart forever from their children - is it ever enough?

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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by CatrionaL » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:36 pm

It seems that the following is more than ever a 'must read' book. Until I read it I had never heard of the existance of the migrant children even though I would be in the same age group as many of them.

Empty Cradles Margaret Humphreys.
Corgi Books ISBN 0 552 14164X £9.99

I would call this a book of practical, compassionate genealogy. Margaret Humphreys travelled thousands of miles and spent long hours searching through births, marriages and deaths. Her purpose? To help child migrants make contact with their roots.
A shocking story, one we might have expected to read about in a Dickens novel. That these children were shipped out, the last as recently as 1967, left me speechless.

From the cover: “Empty Cradles is a strong indictment of government, as well as charitable and religious organisations. It is a sad harrowing story that will move the reader to anger and tears. Yet it offers a message of hope to all victims of a shameful scandal that has been ignored too long.”

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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by LesleyB » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:46 pm

Seems there is an update on the situation with regard to the British Government's apology:
UK child migrants apology planned

Gordon Brown is to apologise for the UK's role in sending thousands of its children to former colonies in the 20th century, the BBC has learned
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8361025.stm

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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by Ann In the UK » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:11 pm

Not before time, either - too little too late for my mind though. And I can't wait to hear how they exonerate themselves of any real wrong doing.... :x

That book looks very intersting Catriona, will have to put that on my wishlist.

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Ann

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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by emanday » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:08 pm

I remember watching a TV programme about this. It was a few years ago, I think.

If I remember correctly, there was quite a bit of work going on to try and reunite siblings and, where possible, children to parents.

Some of the interviews were harrowing, to say the least. Now grown up, many still had memories of watching their brothers and sisters being taken off. Any family photographs found were removed from their belongings.

No, Ann. I certainly don't believe that "sorry" will ever be enough.

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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by Ann In the UK » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:22 pm

emanday wrote:I remember watching a TV programme about this. It was a few years ago, I think.

If I remember correctly, there was quite a bit of work going on to try and reunite siblings and, where possible, children to parents.

Some of the interviews were harrowing, to say the least. Now grown up, many still had memories of watching their brothers and sisters being taken off. Any family photographs found were removed from their belongings.

No, Ann. I certainly don't believe that "sorry" will ever be enough.

As my Nana used to say - Ye cannae unscramble eggs!
Yes, there's an organisation doing just that - and making a fantastic job of it too, by all accounts.
http://www.childmigrantstrust.com/

There was a film based on their experiences a while back called "The Leaving of Liverpool". If you can get hold of a copy, it's certainly worth a look
Here's a bit about it
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103471/

There are a few clips here
http://australianscreen.com.au/titles/l ... ool/clip1/

And it's available on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Leaving-Liverpool ... B001HLLG2W

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Ann

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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by paddyscar » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:22 pm

Sorry?!? No solace there.

Money?!? Not enough to help mend a broken, mind, body and spirit, not only of the children, but their families.

God bless them all!

We can not learn from our mistakes, if we don't know our history. Ah, there it is! Our history - in the dark corner - behind politics, education and personal gain.

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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by joette » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:40 pm

Not just to Australia but to all points of the Commonwealth-the aim to populate the countries with strong British genetic "white" folk.It also solved the problem of poor children & feckless parents!
A dark dark time in our history stretching for over a hundred years.So no sorry is not enough.
I nursed an old lady who still had photos of her two wee babies-taken off her because "she could not cope" with two very frail twins after her WW2 veteran husband committed suicide.She visited them as often as she was allowed until one day she went to see them & they were gone.She did find out that one had been sent to Australia.She would nurse a wee doll & coo over it.How do you apoligise for that.
"Empty Cradles" is a superb book & "The Leaving of Liverpool" would break your heart.
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Ann In the UK
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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by Ann In the UK » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:25 pm

We can not learn from our mistakes, if we don't know our history. Ah, there it is! Our history - in the dark corner - behind politics, education and personal gain.
Not for long. It'll be gone even from there soon.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/200 ... op-history

Ann

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Re: Is sorry enough?

Post by LesleyB » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:51 pm

Certainly a worrying trend. If you are not aware of what has happened in the past and are not aware of what was learnt from these events, there is a danger of history inadvertantly repeating itself.

And at a more individual level, if you do not know how or where you fit into the great scheme of things locally or in the much larger countrywide or world picture and context, how can you feel part of anything or have any concept of belonging to a place or of the continuity of human life, and of your own family within that context or... well, anything really??

You need to know where you have been in order to know where you are going!
Urk. Very worrying.