SS. Effort - Holyloch and SS Forward Hunters Quay

[winger]

Hi,

I am researching Matthew McCann who was a Marine engineer on the SS Effort at Holyloch on the 1891 Census and then Marine Engineer on the SS. Forward at Hunters Quay on the 1901 Census.
His brother Henry was a Mate on the SS. Cesar at Grangemouth in 1901. I would be interested in any information on any of these ships - I think Matthew might have been working on the Ferry's in Dunoon - but I cant find anything to confirm this.
His brother Henry was drowned in 1912 - his death cert does not give any ship info - last seen alive 4h 45m AM firth off Clyde off Holy Isle, Kilbride, accidental drowning, Body not recovered. Registered at Lamlash December 17th. 1912 - strangely there was no RCE against his death. I would be interested in any info on these people and ships.
Thanks in advance for any help.

[Currie]

Hello Winger,

I didn’t find anything about the ships. It can be difficult when the names are part of everyday language. When were the McCann brothers born? There are a couple of nautical McCann items in the Glasgow Herald.

Glasgow Herald, Friday, December 8, 1871
A young boatman , Henry M’Cann, 12 Milton Street, rescues a man from the Forth & Clyde Canal.

Glasgow Herald, Friday, February 5, 1897
Boiler explosion on steam lighter, Hero, at Forth & Clyde Canal, Falkirk. Sole survivor is Henry M’Cann, Mate, blown 30 yards.

If you haven’t seen them, let me know if they appear to be relevant, and I’ll expand on the story.

All the best,
Alan

[Hibee]

Hi Winger

I found SS Effort in here:

http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/IBON-INDEX.html

Effort: Official No.87272, Registered: Leith 1884, Tonnage 35GRT

The others may also be in there, somewhere.

Hibee

[Currie]

Thanks for that number Hibee, because it led me to a very nice copy of Lloyd’s Register of British and Foreign Shipping for 1889-1890.

The Effort is also on a Granton trawlers list http://www.grantontrawlers.com/Trawlers ... 201083.htm and a Milford Trawler list http://www.llangibby.eclipse.co.uk/acci ... t_m145.htm

I couldn’t see the Cesar, or anything likely for a Caesar, in the 1889 Lloyd’s book and perhaps it was later. The 87272 Effort shows a name change to Kestrel? I’ve posted the 1889 page images for Effort, Kestral, and Forward on photobucket. There are several abbreviation pages I could check if necessary.

Effort
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad28 ... Effort.jpg
Kestrel
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad28 ... estrel.jpg
Forward
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad28 ... orward.jpg

All the best,
Alan

[Currie]

It appears that the Lloyd's Register for 1889 includes all British vessels of 100 tons and upwards. For tonnages less than that they have only been included if they were surveyed.

Alan

[winger]

=D> Wow - you lot have been busy! thank you all so much for helping me out with this - the newspaper extracts appear to by my Henry - the address in Milton is correct - so it would be fantastic if you could fill in the details of the reports.

as for the info on the boats and the lloyd lists - these are excellent - how can I tell from the info what type of boat they where or the routes that they worked?
I really appreciate the time and effort you made - I just wish I knew more about boats!!!

thanks again.

[Currie]

Hello Winger,

Here's some more detail. I’ve only summarised the explosion one as it is rather lengthy. If you want the newspaper images and a copy of the Lloyds pages that explain the abbreviations just send me a PM with an email address.

Glasgow Herald, Friday, December 8, 1871
NARROW ESCAPE FROM DROWNING.—Yesterday afternoon, a man named James Soutar, a weaver, residing in Myrtle Street, Govan, fell into the Forth and Clyde Canal at the old basin, Port-Dundas. Soutar was walking along the bank of the canal when he tripped and tumbled into the water, which at that point is between nine and ten feet deep. A young boatman named Henry M’Cann, who resides at 12 Milton Street, had his attention called to the occurrence, and he immediately went to the assistance of Soutar. M’Cann, procuring a narrow ledge of wood, floated it, and then made to the drowning man, whom he, after being two minutes under the surface, succeeded in rescuing from his perilous position. Soutar was afterwards promptly conveyed to the Northern Police Office, where he was attended by Dr Renfrew.

Glasgow Herald, Friday, February 5, 1897
The boiler explosion on the steam lighter Hero occurred in the No. 4 Lock of the Forth and Clyde Canal at Falkirk. The master, Robert Shaw, Port Dundas, was killed immediately. The body of the engineer, James Baxter, Milton Street, Campsie, supposed to be beneath the wreck of the lighter. The mate Henry M’Cann, was raising the sluice of the lock and landed in the water 30 yards away. James Moore, the lock-keeper was severely injured. Considerable damage was done to the adjoining Abbot’s Iron Foundry. Nearby residents, Mrs Fleming and Mrs M’Intyre, were struck by debris.

I guess that any trawlers in the picture would have gone to the fishing grounds usually visited by those from the ports where they were based. There’s probably info on the two trawler sites about that and they appear to have the details of the Effort pretty well covered. It was well under 100 tons and is probably only on the Lloyds List because it had been surveyed.

All the best,
Alan

[AlasdairMac]

Hi winger, I know I'm late in with this but there is a photograph of the "Effort" beached at Hunters Quay on my puffers website:
http://puffers.clydemaritime.co.uk You will find entries for both her and the "Forward" in the PUFFER index but not much information on either vessel I'm afraid. I can however confirm that puffer "Effort" is very definately NOT the 1884 Leith registered vessel of the same name.

[winger]

Wow! I can't thank you enough for putting this picture up for me - it is fantastic to get an actual image of one of the puffer's my GGrandfather worked on - I had some luck with his marine records - it transpires they are in Canada and I have still to send for them but they will hopefully give me the routes and the dates worked on SS. Effort and possibly the SS Forward - there was some confusion on the reference numbers I gave Canada - but they worked out the the number quoted was the wrong puffer and found the correct one for him. - thanks again, when I receive the info would you like me to send any of it too you - just so you have a note of the routes that were sailed?