Irish Connection to Port Glasgow

[andymacz]

Hi, I am looking to find the date that James McIlravey and Annie Thomson arrived in Scotland and from where in Ireland. They were married 11/03/1870 in Port Glasgow. James was born in Ireland abt 1839 to Adam McIlravey and Maria McGregor and died 04/01/1877 in Port Glasgow. Annie was born in Ireland abt 1844 to Daniel Thomson and Catherine Jones(?) and died 26/10/1887 in Port Glasgow. Annie remarried 30/05/1884 to a Charles Boyle.

Any pointers/information would be helpfull.

Andy

[LesleyB]

Hi Andy

Any sign in any census prior to the marriage date e.g. 1861, 1851?

Where does it state they are from in later census data e.g. 1871, Annie in 1881? It may just say Ireland but worth checking any just incase.

Best wishes
Lesley

[nelmit]

Hi, I am looking to find the date that James McIlravey and Annie Thomson arrived in Scotland and from where in Ireland. They were married 11/03/1870 in Port Glasgow. James was born in Ireland abt 1839 to Adam McIlravey and Maria McGregor and died 04/01/1877 in Port Glasgow. Annie was born in Ireland abt 1844 to Daniel Thomson and Catherine Jones(?) and died 26/10/1887 in Port Glasgow. Annie remarried 30/05/1884 to a Charles Boyle.

Any pointers/information would be helpfull.

Andy

Hello Andy,

Have you looked at wee Annie's birth entry for an address that might give a clue as to where her mum was living then?

Aaaah a wee Christmas baby.

ANNIE THOMSON

25 DEC 1868 Port Glasgow, Renfrew, Scotland

Parents:
Mother: ANNIE THOMSON

Were both sets of parents still alive on the marriage entry?

Regards,
Annette

[Ina]

Hi Andy,

Unfortunatly the 1871 census only lists James and Annie as been born in Ireland, and living at Sinclairs Close, Bay St. Port Glasgow, with two children, Annie age 2, and William age 8 months. Both children were born in Port Glasgow.

The 1881 census lists Annie, a widow living at 11 Sinclairs Close, Bay St. Port Glasgow, with her four children Annie 12, James 8, Adam 6 and David 5. Baby William died in 1872.

Ina

[nelmit]

Hi, I am looking to find the date that James McIlravey and Annie Thomson arrived in Scotland and from where in Ireland. They were married 11/03/1870 in Port Glasgow. James was born in Ireland abt 1839 to Adam McIlravey and Maria McGregor and died 04/01/1877 in Port Glasgow. Annie was born in Ireland abt 1844 to Daniel Thomson and Catherine Jones(?) and died 26/10/1887 in Port Glasgow. Annie remarried 30/05/1884 to a Charles Boyle.

Any pointers/information would be helpfull.

Andy

Soooo frustrating at the moment.

James had at least 1 brother - William and there is a Hugh and Adam who may be brothers or cousins who lived at Port Glasgow too but unfortunately on every census record I've looked at on Ancestry they all just have Ireland as a birth place!!

The earliest record I've found is the marriage of James's brother William MciIravey to Ann Mcguire in 1863 at Port Glasgow.

Regards,
Annette

[andymacz]

Thanks Guys, I tried to find Annie McIlravey in the 1881 cencus but must have missed it, I will look again. As noted the 1871 census states that both James and Annie came from Ireland, but that was it. Adam - as noted by by Ina - as my great great grandfather. When James and Annie were married, both James' partents were alive, but Annie's were not.

thanks to Ina, Annette, and Lesley I will check for more detail. Does anyone know how or where to do a check on Irish records?

regards

Andy

[nelmit]

Annie and children are transcribed as Mcilvory at Ancestry in 1881.

Regards,
Annette

[andymacz]

Thanks Annette, lived with the name McIlravey and the many spelling thereof all my life, but would never have found that one. As an interesting point Annie could not write she marked her wedding certificate with an X.

regards

Andy

[Ina]

Hi Andy,

I've just sent you a PM.

Ina

[Elwyn 1]

Statutory records of births, deaths & marriages started in Ireland in 1864 (1845 for Protestant and Non-Conformist marriages). Prior to that you are heavily dependant on church records, where they exist. (Some have been lost, some are incomplete and some are not yet on line).

To use church records effectively, because there’s no centralised index, ideally you need to know the ancestor’s exact religion, townland and parish in Ireland. (Otherwise it’s a needle in a haystack). Good sources for finding this are poor law applications (Mitchell Library in Glasgow)which can show town/townland of origin. Look out also for other Irish people nearby in the censuses. Immigrants often settled near people they knew from home. Check military records, gravestones, family bibles, wills and obituaries. Birth certs for some locations (e.g. Scotland) include place of marriage of parents. Scottish death certs should show parents names.

Once you have found where your ancestor came from you need to search the parish registers. For Northern Ireland, the Public Record Office (PRONI) has copies of many of the parish registers, and has a list of those held elsewhere. www.proni.gov.uk/
The records themselves are not on line and you need to search them in person or order them in to your local LDS library.

For the Republic of Ireland the equivalent records are held by the National Library http://www.nli.ie/

Some Irish BDM records are searchable on line on the LDS pilot and Beta sites, but some records are still held by the individual church (some declined to allow their records to be copied) and so those websites are not the complete picture:

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/rec ... ctions&r=1

www.familysearch.org/



Elwyn