Facts, Assumptions & Brick Walls

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SandySandilands
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Facts, Assumptions & Brick Walls

Post by SandySandilands » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:34 pm

Facts:

Andrew Sandilands, my 4 x great grandfather is my brick wall. ](*,)
He was born c.1800 in Selkirkshire (according to the 1851 census).
I have never been able to find a baptism for him.
He died in Edinburgh in 1852 aged 52.

In 1820 Andrew married my 4 x great grandmother Margaret Johns(t)on(e) (b.c.1796 d.1848).
The marriage took place in Selkirk.
Cautioners were William Sandilands and Robert Orr (who a few years earlier had married a Janet Johnston).

On the 1851 Census, his son's marriage certificate, and a his own later marriage, my ancestor is recorded as a "Quarryman".
On my 3 x great grandfather's death certificate Andrew's occupation is recorded as Corn Merchant.

I once had the good fortune to stumble across a couple of documents in an archive which were quotes, my ancestor and one William Sandilands, also born in Sellkirkshire in 1800, a man I assume to be his brother (no parents recorded on his death certificate), had supplied to the town council of Selkirk for the building of stone dykes, which led me to conclude that Andrew was probably more than a labourer.

I also had the good fortunate to discover some trial papers; an excellent source of information.
It turned out, that in 1852, the final year of his life, my ancestor was a victual dealer with a shop on Hanover Street in Edinburgh.
Apparently, my ancestor and his 2nd wife had fallen victim to gang of con-merchants who operated quite an extensive scam ordering goods from merchants on behalf of their "employer", a well-connected lady, who it happens they were not in the employ of at all.

Between the date of the crime and the trial my ancestor had the misfortune to pop his clogs.
Luckily for me, the burial entry records his address as Hanover Street.
I was left without doubt that the quarryman and victual dealer were one and the same.

It will come as no suprise to those of us who have been doing this kind of thing for some time to learn that there is no victual shop listed at the address given in Hanover Street, Edinburgh! Apparently, the address was occupied by O'Donnell, Charles and Co., Furniture Dealers (also "Brokers" at Cowgate).

As my ancestor had died, his widow was called as a witness at the trial mentioned previously. There are two references to her in the trial papers:
Mary Wallace or Sandilands, wife of, and, then residing with, the said Andrew Sandilands,
and
Mary Wallace or Sandilands, now or lately residing with Rodham Catherine Davison Home, in or near Windsor Terrace, in or near Portobello, in the said shire.
Now Rodham was quite a well connected chap http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article ... rchLimits= He was also cousin to another branch of the Sandilands family who, according to the 1851 Census, were also living in Portobello.

Assumptions:

That somehow my Sandilands and the cousins of Rodham Catherine Davison Home are connected. Although I've never been able to find anything other than the trial papers to support this. Am I putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 13? What exactly does "residing with" mean at that time?

Sandy

Russell
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Re: Facts, Assumptions & Brick Walls

Post by Russell » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:10 pm

Hi Sandy

My take on "residing with" would be just that. the person was living at the accommodations of.....
Morality as dictated by the Church was still quite strict and any hint of a relationship would be frowned on and probably recorded in disapproving terms.

Thinking about Andrew's birth I don't have the details to hand but we discovered that the boundaries of Selkirkshire were changed with parts of Mid Lothian being incorporated and various other changes (We found Torwoodlee estate in Stow, Mid Lothian in 1841 )
Hope someone comes along soon with a more inspiring i.e.helpful, post.

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SandySandilands
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Re: Facts, Assumptions & Brick Walls

Post by SandySandilands » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:42 pm

Russell wrote:Hi Sandy

My take on "residing with" would be just that. the person was living at the accommodations of.....
Morality as dictated by the Church was still quite strict and any hint of a relationship would be frowned on and probably recorded in disapproving terms.
Russell
Thanks Russell.

I am not thinking along the lines that Mary and Rodham were "an item". Merely hopeful that it could be more than just coincidence that she ended up living where she was only a couple of months after her husband's death :D
Russell wrote:Thinking about Andrew's birth I don't have the details to hand but we discovered that the boundaries of Selkirkshire were changed with parts of Mid Lothian being incorporated and various other changes (We found Torwoodlee estate in Stow, Mid Lothian in 1841 )Russell
I've searched the whole of Scotland and can't find him. At least I've been able to rule out the other Andrew Sandilands who DO appear in the OPRs including the baptisms recorded in England. Unless he was recorded under some bizzaire variation of the name I'm afraid he isn't there.

Jamboesque
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Re: Facts, Assumptions & Brick Walls

Post by Jamboesque » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:59 pm

Sandy,

Slightly off-topic, but does your family link into the Sandilands family AKA The Lords of Torphichen still with their family home at the Calder House, Mid-Calder?

They are a well kent family with extensive ancestry going back to at 1564. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Torphichen

Apologies if this has been previously reported....

Jack
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SandySandilands
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Re: Facts, Assumptions & Brick Walls

Post by SandySandilands » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:44 pm

Hi Jack
Jamboesque wrote:Sandy,

Slightly off-topic, but does your family link into the Sandilands family AKA The Lords of Torphichen still with their family home at the Calder House, Mid-Calder?

Jack
They don't. Well not at the moment anyway! :lol:

My great grandfather (b.1878) was very familiar with that line and he always claimed we were connected. He used to tell my father that we were cousins and that our branch of the family were Jacobites who had lived in France for a while and who had returned to Scotland when things had settled down.

When I started off with my research I thought it was all a bit far-fetched. That was until about 25 years ago when I made contact with the head of another branch of that family who appear in Burke's Landed Gentry, "cousins" of the Mid Calder branch. Hey presto this family had such a past. Moreover, the head of that family (a wonderful gentleman who I remember fondly) and my father were the double of each other! My father and I travelled up to Scotland and we all met up and had a bit of a reunion. It was one of those days that you never forget. Everyone agreed both branches of our families were connected and the search was on to find out where. It's still ongoing.

Despite forenames, occupations and locations in common I have yet to prove any "paper" connection (my lot don't seem to have been keen on baptisms) although an example of "coincidence" is that the widow of my 4 x great grandfather was "residing at the home" of one of their cousins in 1852.

The search is frustrating yet enjoyable. I just wish I could have a "breakthrough" sometime -- soon. :)

Sandy