Deciphering Help Please-William England and Margaret Ogilvie

linniestorm · Post by **linniestorm** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:37 pm

Hello! I was hoping somebody with a more eagle eye than myself might be able to decipher some handwriting that's giving me some trouble on a marriage extract. I thought I had spotted the word annulled you see, which peaked my interest, but the handwriting has faded a bit and there's a small word added a couple I just can't decipher!

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1297

Here's what I have so far (the easy bits) would anyone be able to fill in the blanks?! I'd be really grateful!

October 28th (1785) Matrimonially contracted William England in ___________ (place name?) and Margaret Ogilvie, they ________ (consigned?) pledges and after ________ ________ (this is the word I think is annulled!) were married September 15th.

Gallery URL added - AndrewP

Post by **marilyn morning** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:40 pm

Hi Linnie

Could you upload a copy of the cert to our gallery? Here's some instructions

http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6496

Regards
Marilyn

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:45 pm

Hi linnestorm,

I make the wording as:

Octr 28th. Matrimonially contracted William England in Carridown and Margaret Ogilvie, they consigned pledges and after proclamns annulled were married September 15th.

Carridown will probably be Carriden, West Lothian. It does appear to say that their proclamations were annulled - kind of strange, given that they were then married.

All the best,

AndrewP

linniestorm · Post by **linniestorm** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:57 pm

Hi Andrew & Marilyn

Many thanks for that and all your help! They were married in Rathven, Banffshire, which is quite a distance from West Lothian isn't it? I'm not very up on church procedure, could their banns have been proclaimed in that parish, and then 'cancelled' so to speak so they could marry in Rathven? Is that at all a possibility?

Post by **AndrewP** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:02 pm

Hi Linniestorm,

It is more normal that the banns are called in both the bride's and the groom's parish church to give anyone knowing either of them the opportunity to say if they believed that the couple were not legally fit to marry.

Another odd thing is that it reads as if the banns were proclaimed about six weeks after the wedding took place.

All the best,

AndrewP

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:09 pm

Hmmmm.......after viewing the whole page and seeing that the recording offical kept consistent language....I'm going with perhaps "comitted" instead of "annulled". In other entries it almost looks like those two uprights have been crossed like t's.

Best wishes
Jean

Post by **Tracey** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:37 pm

Hi Linniestorm

There is a very good site for anyone looking for family in Rathven
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sheena_charles/R_Marrs2.htm

and on it you will find this..............
28 OCTOBER 1785 Matrimonially contracted WILLIAM ENGLAND in Curriedown and MARGARET OGILVIE they consigned pledges and after proclamations emitted were married September 25th.

Tracey

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:40 am

'Emitted' works for me!

Best wishes
Jean